They're party tricks.Now that's some cool, quality of life features.
Well that's what language models are made for.You guys need to realise that chatbots isn't all there is to AI
I don't want SoC area to be spent on a bunch of useless party tricks just like no one wanted touch panels and shitty tablet UI everywhere in Win8.Part of all these AI features are going to be done on-device, for reasons pertaining to minimal latency and privacy.
For desktop it really isn’t a big value add when you’re most likely running a dGPU.I’d say Win11 is the new Win8, which has not taken off so much yet.
I think Win12 might be the next Win10. Seems like it’s every second release that matters, based on past track record.
Also Win10 will reach EOL soon (in 2025), so you gotta move to something, or pay extra for ESU.
Rumors say mandatory. E.g this:
Windows 12 Rumors: What We Know So Far
Get the latest scoop on Windows 12 rumors and discover what we know so far about the highly anticipated operating system update.www.pcguide.com
”A key area of focus for Windows 12 is expected to be AI capabilities and to support this, Windows 12 will require PCs equipped with an NPU (Neural Processing Unit) or a GPU capable of handling on-device AI processing. This indicates a move towards more advanced computing and raises questions about the accessibility of the upgrade for users with less powerful hardware.”
But the NPU can be on the new CCD.
It’s gotta be somewhere on Zen5. I have a hard time seeing AMD releasing Zen5 in 2024 without NPU, if Win12 will be released in 2024 too and requires NPU, or atleast makes usage of NPU one of the key selling points of Win12 and the new features that come with it. Without NPU, Zen5 would be considered outdated very soon after release. And it’s quite a long time after that until Zen6 arrives.
yea it's called DirectMLI’m sure Microsoft will create a public API that enables individual GPU vendors to run this on their hardware.
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Sure, for those who have a dGPU.For desktop it really isn’t a big value add when you’re most likely running a dGPU.
All of this stuff will be compatible with RTX cards since you’ve already got DLDSR, RTX voice, etc. I’m sure Microsoft will create a public API that enables individual GPU vendors to run this on their hardware.
It's just some dark silicon to get that MS premium AI PC sticker which is only relevant for mobile.So then they'll need an NPU in the Zen5 CPU chip, unless the iGPU will be capable enough.
No way. Win12 would be DOA for large segments of the PC market. Hopefully the 'every other windows release is good' theory applies to Win12, as Win11 has had more problems than Win10.”A key area of focus for Windows 12 is expected to be AI capabilities and to support this, Windows 12 will require PCs equipped with an NPU (Neural Processing Unit) or a GPU capable of handling on-device AI processing. This indicates a move towards more advanced computing and raises questions about the accessibility of the upgrade for users with less powerful hardware.”
Similar as with TPM for Win11.No way. Win12 would be DOA for large segments of the PC market. Hopefully the 'every other windows release is good' theory applies to Win12, as Win11 has had more problems than Win10.
It's just some dark silicon to get that MS premium AI PC sticker which is only relevant for mobile.
They don't need anything.
As someone who works in a corporate environment, I agree that there is merit to the points you bring up. At my work, we've transitioned entirely to laptops even for younger engineers who arguably do more engineering on a day-to-day basis than the senior staff who do more emailing and correspondence with clients (i.e. MS Office-type stuff). As I've mentioned earlier in this thread, the heavy analysis workloads are all offloaded to a server, either in-house or in the cloud. Results are post-processed on the servers and are then transferred to the engineer's laptop to put into emails, slide decks, etc. A capable APU that gives good battery life is honestly all we need moving forward.I don't think people are grasping some fundamentals here:
Corporate still makes up the VAST majority of desktop purchases.
Corporate hasn't done a corporation wide in-place dedktop CPU upgrade in over a decade, ANYWHERE.
It makes zero sense to have corporate desktops with ZIF sockets.
More and more desktops are moving to using mobile processors that are soldered to the motherboard.
We know that ZEN 6 brings a major change to the CPU platform, with divergence between server CCDs, client CCDs, and desktop moving closer to mobile on a platform level.
What does all this mean?
Corporate largely doesn't use dGPUs.
Corporate is going to want AI features to make workers more productive.
Corporate desktops will be a mix of tiny PCs with soldered mobile CPUs that have their own NPU and iGPU, or small footprint desktops with sockets and socketed mobile processors with NPUs and iGPUs.
It is reasonable to expect that anyone that cares enough about having a desktop with Windows 12 premium is going to either have a socketed mobile processor, or a higher end one with a large enough dGPU.
Probably not a farce, but it's likely because of volume reasons. Intel, although behind the 8 ball, can pump out silicon like no other. Their ability to provide volume chips to those who need is has been protecting them against AMD's superior offerings for a while now.One way you can tell this whole AI thing is a farce is by looking at tech specs of Microsoft Surface. Microsoft had a choice to use Phoenix with some AI capability but instead, is using Intel with no AI capability.
And how exactly will that AI make the workers more productive?Corporate is going to want AI features to make workers more productive.
See this:And how exactly will that AI make the workers more productive?
It's funnier than that. Microsoft Surface itself is a farce. You know/remember that "chip-to-cloud" "security" processor called Pluton Microsoft created and announced back in 2020? AMD included it in Ryzen Mobile 6000 and Qualcomm did so in 8cx Gen 3. Did Microsoft's own Pluton processor matter to Microsoft Surface? Nope.One way you can tell this whole AI thing is a farce is by looking at tech specs of Microsoft Surface. Microsoft had a choice to use Phoenix with some AI capability but instead, is using Intel with no AI capability.