No because then there's wouldn't be so many 16C CPUs sold as in fact there is. 8C is better for pure gamers.DIY CPU is pretty much games.
AMD 16c client CPU sales numbers are puny.No because then there's wouldn't be so many 16C CPUs sold as in fact there is
The 16 core CPUs sell more than otherwise should because they have the highest clock rate too and are the halo part. AMD puts this together for upsell. Not because most these buyers are using 16C. But these aren't far behind the best gaming parts it is safe to buy more than you need. A 32 core Zen 5C part would be worse so it's not a generally desirable configuration.No because then there's wouldn't be so many 16C CPUs sold as in fact there is. 8C is better for pure gamers.
AMD 16c client CPU sales numbers are puny.
6c and 8c with V$ is what sells, brother.
Less even cheap, just that the platform install base is xboxhueg by DIY standards.That and the cheap stuff (AM4)
No. Especially if you count by revenue, since they are more expensive.AMD 16c client CPU sales numbers are puny.
By revenue too.Especially if you count by revenue, since they are more expensive.
Should be a bit smaller since the core copes better with a rickety shack of a memory subsystem.Serious question regarding 3D cache - given the expected changes in Zen5 architecture, do you expect the benefits of the v-cache smaller, larger or about the same as in case of Zen4?
OK, thanks.Should be a bit smaller since the core copes better with a rickety shack of a memory subsystem.
Z4 is a speed daemon and needs all the cachemem b/w it can muster.
Yea the relevant bits of the DIY CPU market.Gaming crowd and peasant can stay on 6/8C forever
They don't exist.The rest will move on to 32C and beyond, whether from AMD or Intel. Everyone will be happy.
For peasants, yeah.Yea the relevant bits of the DIY CPU market.
It already exists at 16C/24C. Just a matter of time before it moves on to 32C and beyond.They don't exist.
It's not a real market.
They're not peasants at all.For peasants, yeah.
That's Threadripper area.It already exists at 16C/24C. Just a matter of time before it moves on to 32C and beyond.
There are hardcore gamers with expensive systems still using a cheap (relatively) X3D CPU. They pump their money into top end GFX cards, fastest SSDs, fastest memory and even H2O cooling to get GPU temps down for maximum boost. hardly peasant level.For peasants, yeah.
Don't expect it. Mainstream will stay on 16C for performance cores for foreseeable future, and with Intel sticking to 8C setup on perf cores - it will be really hard to break through that ceiling. For Efficiency core configs - that is different discussion.The rest will move on to 32C and beyond, whether from AMD or Intel. Everyone will be happy.
I wish but no.But we should expect certain shift in DIY form factor,
It's just DIMM sideways (for the most part).especially with CAMM memory,
Gamers are CPU peasants, and GPU kings.They're not peasants at all.
No, depends on price and platform. If Intel will provide 8P+32E on desktop it'll be mainstream desktop. Same when AMD follows on AM5/AM6.That's Threadripper area.
They buy V$ parts.Gamers are CPU peasants, and GPU kings.
They don't.Same when AMD follows on AM5/AM6.
No.The 170W TDP of AM5 just screams that it's ready for more than 16C
More cores is more area.That TDP that would be much better spent on more cores
Fatter cores, yes.So it's quite obvious that's what AMD has in store
Only temporarily for current CPU generation. They've got 170W to spend on AM5, so while still on 16C they'll use all of that to bump frequency a bit just to compete with Intel. Might as well use what TDP is available. Even if it's technically insane, since the last few 100 Mhz consume waaaay too much TDP for the little additional perf if brings.No.
It's for (yes you've guessed it) fatter cores!
They're all bigger and meaner cores going forwards.Only temporarily for current CPU generation.
No?The plan for AM5 is of course to use the 170W for more than 16C with later CPU generations
Heard of Zen5C?They're all bigger and meaner cores going forwards
AM5 is 170W TDP. Set in stone. What do you think they intend to use it for? It makes no sense for only 16C or below. Indicates core count bump to 24/32C while still on AM5.No?
It may not even survive past Zen5.
What are you on?
Bigger and meaner core for poverty markets.Heard of Zen5C?
They intend to use it for fatter cores.AM5 is 170W TDP. Set in stone. What do you think they intend to use it for?
It indicates nothing, their roadmap for DT/luggables is 16c effectively forever.Indicates core count bump to 24/32C while still on AM5.
What about the rumors that Zen 6 CCD is larger than 8C? How will they stick to 16C max on desktop with larger CCD's? Only give desktop one 16C CCD?It indicates nothing, their roadmap for DT/luggables is 16c effectively forever.