Yes we do, on N5.No we're not seeing that yet
Zen3/4/5/6 keep DT core count the same.It's already happened with previous Zen generations. Deal with it.
Zen5 is N4/3. Show us pricing per transistor vs N5 for Zen4.Yes we do, on N5.
Zen1/2 core count bump quickly from 4->8->16C. No core count bump from Zen2->Zen4. Core count bump long overdue. Will happen with Zen5/6. Otherwise at least with Intel Arrow Lake second batch.Zen3/4/5/6 keep DT core count the same.
Give up and start saving money for threadripper.
I am not using the computer for Cinebench. The extra cores from 4 to 8 are really diminishing returns on most client applications.
Single core performance seemed (subjectively) like 2x.
Also, using another eyeball method of clocks being up ~40% with IPC increases accounting for another 60% for 2x. There are instances where 5800x offers a bit of a bonus over 2x, namely in some games.
PS: Thanks for pointing out it was i7-2600K not 2400K. It's been out of sight for a couple of years.
You can google the charts yourself, I think they're public.Show us pricing per transistor vs N5 for Zen4.
Using the last two economical shrinks in history yeah.Zen1/2 core count bump quickly from 4->8->16C.
It's just not happening.Will happen with Zen5/6.
this is literally what ws crowd wants, not cinememe points per dollar.with lots of unnecessary features for most users like insane amount of PCI lanes and RAM channels
12/16C is already selling surprisingly well on AM5, and 20/24C on Intel 1700 socket.Supply and demand, there is not enough demand for more cores in client, 6/8 cores (12/16 threads) is the overwhelming majority of the market.
TR prices are high because it is a niche market and there is not enough competition to lower prices.
This discussion needs to stop.
That's not happening either. He's on a one man crusade.That's not happening.
Forget about it.
Well it ain't gonna change anything since he's getting a $349 6 core in but a few months.He's on a one man crusade.
Why don't you show it, since you made the claim.You can google the charts yourself, I think they're public.
So proven it happened twice, and long overdue to happen again. Since AMD is sandbagging core count currently, I would not be surprised if it'll be from Intel next time and then AMD will reluctantly follow.Using the last two economical shrinks in history yeah.
Wut. No Zen6 on DT?It's just not happening.
Zen6 doesn't even have a dedicated DT part.
TR is a super corner case at current feature set and pricing. Should be killed off. 32C and below on AM5, above on EPYC.this is literally what ws crowd wants, not cinememe points per dollar.
Well that is painful, but I will pay it =)Well it ain't gonna change anything since he's getting a $349 6 core in but a few months.
That's not what he said.Wut. No Zen6 on DT?
Why?? So, you know better than AMD. Apparently, it's worth their while to rake in some sales and profits from Threadripper.TR is a super corner case at current feature set and pricing. Should be killed off. 32C and below on AM5, above on EPYC.
Since you're Mr "ST perf is all that matters", I think it'll be you that buys the lowest core count Zen5 that will be released. If you're lucky, there might even be a 4C for you eventually.Well it ain't gonna change anything since he's getting a $349 6 core in but a few months.
You're complaining about the amount of 16C AM5 CPUs sold. How many TR CPUs do you think are sold? More or less than the amount of AM5 16C CPUs?Why?? So, you know better than AMD. Apparently, it's worth their while to rake in some sales and profits from Threadripper.
And in 5 years advanced nodes will be so dense and also relatively cheap that this sounds like a jokeIt slowly enters era of exponential growth of cost/Xtor.
You're complaining about the amount of 16C AM5 CPUs sold. How many TR CPUs do you think are sold? More or less than the amount of AM5 16C CPUs?
How do you not know what the word previous means?Zen3/4/5/6 keep DT core count the same.
It exists but not the way you envision it.No Zen6 on DT?
Costs are going *up*.And in 5 years advanced nodes will be so dense and also relatively cheap that this sounds like a joke
I'm not betting anything.You're just betting on zen 5 having the same core count as zen 4 (and it doesnt at all with strix) and you definitely have no idea about zen 6
I'm only saying you're not getting a single core more in DT lineups.You post so much and make so many predictions that really no matter what happens you're going to be able to spin yourself as some soothsayer
Strix was 8+4 with LP island for the longest while, they just mirrored the cluster size to cut the cost down.and it doesnt at all with strix
You might like that. But do you seriously think AMD looks at this, how 12c and 16c chips depreciate that quickly while 8c chips are much more stable in the price, and concludes that it should add 24c or even 32c chips?Yes, correct. So $44 per core would mean 32C Zen5 at $1408, and 24C at $1056, at launch. If we toss in a mix of Zen5 + Zen5C cores (e.g. 8xZen5 + 16/24 Zen5C), it would be even lower. So much lower than $2K+ as previously suggested by some.
The previous Zen gens didn't have one either technically. Just a dedicated IOD. So exchanging one master with another.Zen6 doesn't even have a dedicated DT part.
Well it ain't gonna change anything since he's getting a $349 6 core in but a few months.
The previous Zen gens didn't have one either technically. Just a dedicated IOD. So exchanging one master with another.
It's the reality.I look forward to you being wrong.
Threadripper and freq SKUs.That begs the question as to what AMD will do with the leaky parts too leaky for server.
It's the same for everyone, as in really really bad.Also, what's up with these slow ass forums? Anyone else having issues?
Hey all,
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