Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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itsmydamnation

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Zen+ is a misdirection. Zen 4 was late September 2022. The real average of Zen1->2->3->4 is about 22 months. In any case, the point is AMD never said anything about 2024H1 for Zen 5. The idea that it is postponed comes from people looking backwards or thinking optimistically.
If it is a larger change than any Zen since the Zen 1 it would have more time allotted for validation.
Zen4 was deliberately postponed to add CXL features as per forest norrod so without that active choice it would have been 18months
 

Saylick

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I was wondering what on earth on was thaf
It’s usually for threads that are questions and the best answer is picked by the OP so that others can see the “solution”, but this thread is for general purpose discussion. Just almost trolling to see a “poor Intel” post be selected as the “answer” in a Zen 5 thread haha
 

Gideon

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So mr infallible, who knows every possible detail about every architecture (whether it’s zen 7, M4, Elite X or Nova Lake) couldn’t even get the launch quarter right for a product that was supposed to come in less than 3 months?

I wonder what’s his excuse when the final perf uplift ends up closer to 20% than 40%
 
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branch_suggestion

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So mr infallible, who knows every possible detail about every architecture (whether it’s zen 7, M4, Elite X or Nova Lake) couldn’t even get the launch quarter right for a product that was supposed to come in less than 3 months?

I wonder what’s his excuse when the final perf uplift ends up closer to 20% than 40%
"An AMD rep just confirmed that Zen 5 is on track for the consumer market for the second half of this year."
EPYC H1 is still very much possible.
Desktop looks to have moved back to a Computex announce, either tactical due to lack of comp pressure or something went oopsie late on.
This is great news
Strix was always Q3 anyway, X Elite remains too late to change the landscape, sorry.
 

Philste

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So since Kepler is now also saying "originally H1" and Adroc isn't in a complete rage writing "April" over and over again we can now finally settle for H2 with Strix possibly launching as first ZEN5 Consumer Product?

Personally I'm Still not sure what to think about of it being delayed or always planned for H2. April didn't make a lot of sense after all for a number of reasons.
 

Kepler_L2

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So since Kepler is now also saying "originally H1" and Adroc isn't in a complete rage writing "April" over and over again we can now finally settle for H2 with Strix possibly launching as first ZEN5 Consumer Product?

Personally I'm Still not sure what to think about of it being delayed or always planned for H2. April didn't make a lot of sense after all for a number of reasons.
Desktop will launch first as usual.
 
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Hans Gruber

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It's not great news. I have no doubt that Zen 5 will produce a 20% IPC uplift, but I think Arrow Lake will gain a lot of efficiency and Intel has never had a problem with IPC gains when pressed by AMD. Since Alder Lake, Intel has been on 10nm. With Arrow Lake it's going to be on (20A) 5nm. A process node shrink and a new architecture for Intel as well.

With Panther lake coming in 2025 on 18A, how will Intel not put AMD in the rearview mirror? Not rushing Zen 5 to market in Q2 of 2024 is a major party foul by AMD.

AMD is full of excuses. They said they were going to go after Nvidia top tier performance with RDNA3, they failed badly. They have been over confident with the Ryzen architecture moving forward in spite of the Intel node shrink in 2024 and another in 2025. AMD is flush with cash, what is their excuse going to be this time?

I have no horse in this race. The silicon advantage AMD has had since Zen 2 (7nm) is going to be gone. Most if not all of AMD's Zen5 will be on 4nm which is really TSMC 5nm but the advanced better performing 5nm silicon. AMD is only losing 10-15% efficiency with 4nm vs 3nm TSMC. There is no uplift in performance on the first generation TSMC 3nm silicon.

It would have been nice for AMD to have a 4 or 5 month release advantage with Zen 5. AMD has been overpromising gains in the last few years while Intel doesn't promise anything and delivers big gains on inferior nodes. With 20A it looks like the silicon real estate will be equal between AMD and Intel.

All of the Intel Skeptics have been ignoring everything they introduce as new cores for the last couple of years. The wait has been for Alder Lake and their 5nm Silicon. I think we will see a huge efficiency gain for Intel and a big IPC gain. Intel seems to be to signaling their big home run will be with Panther Lake in 2025 with their 18A silicon.
 

adroc_thurston

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So mr infallible, who knows every possible detail about every architecture (whether it’s zen 7, M4, Elite X or Nova Lake) couldn’t even get the launch quarter right for a product that was supposed to come in less than 3 months?
Yeah, things shift and change.
No need to get upset.
wonder what’s his excuse when the final perf uplift ends up closer to 20% than 40%
More than either of that.
 

adroc_thurston

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It isn't news. Just the hype train derailing as usual. Now they're already disappointed because it's "late" & "delayed". Next they'll be sad it's only 23±2% 1T like AMD usually does.
Quote your estimate for Turin socket perf bump for both 96c and 128c parts and then we'll talk.
 

DisEnchantment

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As Ryzen 8000 or 9000? I know this is a thing they can decide literally 1 Hour before launch event but is there a Rumor? Desktop launching as 9000 before Strix launches as 8000 would be really weird/bad from a marketing perspective.
They literally decided the launch date during the conf call. What are you talking about? Things change and leaks are fluid... literally.
 

Kepler_L2

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As Ryzen 8000 or 9000? I know this is a thing they can decide literally 1 Hour before launch event but is there a Rumor? Desktop launching as 9000 before Strix launches as 8000 would be really weird/bad from a marketing perspective.
Since it's H2 it's pretty much guaranteed to be Ryzen 9000 for all Zen5 products.
 

Gideon

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I'm old enough to remember AMD saying that they are adhering to a 12 - 18 month schedule for their CPUs. first slipped by Zen 4 due to CXL and Covid. Now it's again nearly 22+ months.

I still hope they eventually speed up or rather that Qualcomm and Intel eventually force them to. They have enough resources to iterate faster than once every 2 years.

It's particularly bad on the mobile front. Who knows when will Stryx be available in volume (bar some niche products) ... H2 2025 at this rate.
 
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