Reaching Apple's IPC level does not guarantee reaching Apple's efficiency level.
their new P-core is literally designed around chasing hertz.I think Apple cares more about that then they do chasing after hertz.
Big wide core with chungus reorder buffer and a very mean front-end is a fairly universal recipe.I also think that both companies have different approaches to getting their increased IPC
See CPUs have largely converged on being deep and wide and mean OoO machines.consideration for your own strengths is a sure way to fail.
Isn’t Apple latest P core in the M3 just an upgraded Everest?their new P-core is literally designed around chasing hertz
No, it's a new one, bigger and designed for higher clockspeeds.Isn’t Apple latest P core in the M3 just an upgraded Everest?
Real bad bad timing saying that.In the dreams RDNA3 perf was vivid and absolutely demolished everything on the market.
what if … like Zen 5 … like spelled arrow lake. Zen and arrow lake are like totally symmetrical and in love man. One is the other as the other is the one.What a dream it was for Greymon/Vegeta and the others.
In the dream, it was an asian dude based in the mainland with connections to the packaging facilities.
In the dreams RDNA3 perf was vivid and absolutely demolished everything on the market.
The RDNA3 dream came to a stop and in the ensuing reality she is an Indian female in Bangalore now discovering out Zen 5 facts .
Wonder she/he/they/them? will wake up and another dream ensues?
This is wild, inception is real. Dream within a dream.
Just head over to the RDNA3 thread, dream in dream. Wake up from RDNA3 in Zen5 thread and wake from Zen5 in Zen6 thread.
Right now in this thread we need to spin the top or let ourselves free fall from the chair just to be sure.
Yep.What a dream it was for Greymon/Vegeta and the others.
In the dream, it was an asian dude based in the mainland with connections to the packaging facilities.
In the dreams RDNA3 perf was vivid and absolutely demolished everything on the market.
The RDNA3 dream came to a stop and in the ensuing reality she is an Indian female in Bangalore now discovering out Zen 5 facts .
Wonder she/he/they/them? will wake up and another dream ensues?
This is wild, inception is real. Dream within a dream.
Just head over to the RDNA3 thread, dream in dream. Wake up from RDNA3 in Zen5 thread and wake from Zen5 in Zen6 thread.
Right now in this thread we need to spin the top or let ourselves free fall from the chair just to be sure.
What I want to know is how much @Kepler_L2 owns of Anandtech....I think its obvious a lot of people stand to gain by grasping at straws to build up clout and thus generate streams of revenue/help bolster their existing income streams.
So Zen 5 is the final send-off AM5 Platform with a deep, wider and smarter processor. And Zen 6 debuts the AM6 platform with a just as deep, just as wide and even more smart processor, with focus on the back-end and the uncore (New IOD with RDNA 4/5 IGP and others changes), with also the Zen 6 Desktop platform being basically a small MI/Venice in terms of structure?their new P-core is literally designed around chasing hertz.
Big wide core with chungus reorder buffer and a very mean front-end is a fairly universal recipe.
It's how you execute on it that makes all the difference.
See CPUs have largely converged on being deep and wide and mean OoO machines.
Funny outliers like Netburst or POWER6 or Bulldozer or Niagara no longer exist.
What a dream it was for Greymon/Vegeta and the others.
In the dream, it was an asian dude based in the mainland with connections to the packaging facilities.
In the dreams RDNA3 perf was vivid and absolutely demolished everything on the market.
The RDNA3 dream came to a stop and in the ensuing reality she is an Indian female in Bangalore now discovering out Zen 5 facts .
Wonder she/he/they/them? will wake up and another dream ensues?
This is wild, inception is real. Dream within a dream.
Just head over to the RDNA3 thread, dream in dream. Wake up from RDNA3 in Zen5 thread and wake from Zen5 in Zen6 thread.
Right now in this thread we need to spin the top or let ourselves free fall from the chair just to be sure.
AFAIK AMD has not yet decided if Zen6 will be on AM5 or a new platform.So Zen 5 is the final send-off AM5 Platform with a deep, wider and smarter processor. And Zen 6 debuts the AM6 platform with a just as deep, just as wide and even more smart processor, with focus on the back-end and the uncore (New IOD with RDNA 4/5 IGP and others changes), with also the Zen 6 Desktop platform being basically a small MI/Venice in terms of structure?
AMD has a quite interesting roadmap, if so. Basically aiming for leadership from top to bottom. It's an interest contrast to Intel, which appears almost lethargic, if not a very slow ship to steer. But, as they always say, execution is key.
In relevant metrics (PPAC) it should certainly be better than RDNA3 was relative to the comp, as RDNA4 should actually work as intended.Only if the update includes Lisa jumping on Nvidia's track, because there's no way RDNA4 will get any closer to Nvidia.
That's nice ngl! 3 generations per socket/platform would be really great. AM6 debutting with Zen 6 would also be an awkward timing due to DDR6/LPDDR6 TTM. Would be better to wait a bit and have a more mature solution.AFAIK AMD has not yet decided if Zen6 will be on AM5 or a new platform.
LPDDR6 will hit the market in late 2025.That's nice ngl! 3 generations per socket/platform would be really great. AM6 debutting with Zen 6 would also be an awkward timing due to DDR6/LPDDR6 TTM. Would be better to wait a bit and have a more mature solution.
Excuse me, I have not been making such conclusions or predictions or any statement of fact.Making conclusions today, like it was obvious this unique event would take place is a little bit like a lottery winner lecturing those who did not win as being stupid.
Excuse me, I have not been making such conclusions or predictions or any statement of fact.
But many are patrolling the forums handing out fact sheets on Zen 5 every third post, according to which my order for the 16C part would be delivered any time now. I am only not sure about the cooler.
In fact, these statements are never incorrect, just AMD had last minute changes indeed.
That s not much difficult to spot what went wrong with RDNA3, the chips still clock quite high but methink that for some reasons there were some critical circuitries within the GPU that didnt clock accordingly with the projected stock voltage.That seems like a little bit tongue in cheek.
There was, in fact, some internal breakdown inside AMD, that lead to RDNA3 underdelivering. Those people / leakers who predicted higher RDNA3 performance were in fact right. Those were the AMD internal design goals and performance targets.
If the upcoming RDNA3+ parts indeed clock at or near 3 GHz, it will be a confirmation of the above.
So, posts claiming some moral high ground, sitting on a high horse, for getting RDNA3 right or not falling for RDNA3 hype while disparaging those who expected AMD to meet its design goals - those posts don't really sit right with me.
No, it's a new one, bigger and designed for higher clockspeeds.
M3 increased L1 cache latency to allow for higher clocks.No its not. It has been gaining clock speed as expected via process improvements, there has been no design specific to higher clock speeds. Do you really think that Intel and AMD alone are able to design CPUs that clock higher than 4 GHz, and M3 has the highest clocked cores Apple could possibly design? If you do you're hopelessly ignorant.
Do you really not understand why they have targeted lower clock speeds when their cores are explicitly designed to go into phones and the same core is copied unchanged into Apple Silicon CPUs - just with a bit higher clock since it can have a little higher power budget?
The biggest question mark is why didn’t Apple give new codenames for the M3/A17 CPUs cores. They use the codenames as A16.M3 increased L1 cache latency to allow for higher clocks.
Why does it matter? If Apple is able to have higher IPC than AMD/Intel, it makes up for the clock speed disadvantage.Anyhow, Apple clocking their cores higher is needed to compete in desktop. This is where AMD and Intel have huge lead.
Yeah it is, L1 absolute cycle count latency is 33% up (3 -> 4) and average mispredict penalties are up.No its not.
But we have AMD making massive strides of 2 gens in 2 years according to the rumorsOnly if the update includes Lisa jumping on Nvidia's track, because there's no way RDNA4 will get any closer to Nvidia.