Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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Please. We get enough ML crap everywhere else.
Even if some Zen 5 SKU might be branded as AI processor it really isn't the interesting part...

Can we get back to Zen 5?
Thank you both for attempting to get the train back on the tracks.

I deleted a bunch of the offtopic posts. This is the Zen 5 thread. If any of you want to talk about other topics start another thread.

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cytg111

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Running it local is just the inference part, how will they make up for all the training costs?
One time training is the product you get out the door, finetuning with your local data is not that big of an umf. I suspect they will eventually get around to realtime finetuning.
 

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1 Week and 7 hours to go, it's crazy that it's still that quiet. You guys think we will have some leaks during this week or does AMD manage to keep everything closed until the event itself?

Btw, one of the editors of Computerbase indirectly said that they had an call for Strix at the beginning of April in regards to naming (still 100 series back then). So it's likely the press knows all the numbers already. Even more crazy that nothing leaked yet.
 
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1 Week and 7 hours to go, it's crazy that it's still that quiet.
Good.
You guys think we will have some leaks during this week or does AMD manage to keep everything closed until the event itself?
No.
Btw, one of the editors of Computerbase indirectly said that they had an call for Strix at the beginning of April in regards to naming (still 100 series back then).
AMD's been communicating Strix and its design win volume for a while.
Even more crazy that nothing leaked yet.
Really the last bridge one would burn given the situation.
 

Saylick

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AMD's been communicating Strix and its design win volume for a while.
I just hope that those design wins translate into decent volume that is readily available after the formal launch date. Phoenix was clowned (appropriately so imo) for not having product for like 6 months after launch. For a product like Strix which elevates the bar much higher than its predecessor, it would be a shame if it's not in people's hands faster.
 

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I just hope that those design wins translate into decent volume that is readily available after the formal launch date.
The answer is always "depends on the state of the channel".
Phoenix was clowned (appropriately so imo) for not having product for like 6 months after launch.
Channel was full.
it would be a shame if it's not in people's hands faster.
Depends on the channel.
 
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Abwx

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1 Week and 7 hours to go, it's crazy that it's still that quiet. You guys think we will have some leaks during this week or does AMD manage to keep everything closed until the event itself?

Btw, one of the editors of Computerbase indirectly said that they had an call for Strix at the beginning of April in regards to naming (still 100 series back then). So it's likely the press knows all the numbers already. Even more crazy that nothing leaked yet.

All they have to do is to specify on the NDA that if you want the infos you ll agree to pay 1M$ if you are caught spilling the beans.

At this price you wont even put the slides in a forbidden part of your servers in the waiting, just in a PC that is systematicaly offline and dont even have an ethernet port.
 

Joe NYC

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AMD's been communicating Strix and its design win volume for a while.

Let's suppose it is true, that Strix has a higher than normal number of design wins.
Lunar lake claims the same.
QCOM clams the same (and we have seen a good number of higher profile design wins).
Intel also claims to have a lot of design wins for Meteor Lake.
AMD says it has a good number of design wins for Hawk Point.

I am at a loss to reconcile this. The combined number of these design wins seems like it will be 2x of what we have seen before. So it is likely going to be a complete confusopoly...
 

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I am at a loss to reconcile this. The combined number of these design wins seems like it will be 2x of what we have seen before. So it is likely going to be a complete confusopoly...
Having multiple SOC options for a given laptop is a really magical thing!
Pretty sure one of the recent Vivobooks with Hamoa is also Strix.
 

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Can't say the source. Both "zen5"(Nirvana and Morpheus) vs Zen4.

ArrowLake is a Applekiller too and scores to -15% to +20% vs Zen5.

Arrowlake and Zen5 can't clock faster than their predecessors. 5.1Ghz Zen5 is scary fast, belive what he-man said.

Source i can't say.
Yeah...except that "Morpheus" is Zen6. You really don't seem to be legitimate whatsoever...next.
 

Gideon

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Can't say the source. Both "zen5"(Nirvana and Morpheus) vs Zen4.

ArrowLake is a Applekiller too and scores to -15% to +20% vs Zen5.

Arrowlake and Zen5 can't clock faster than their predecessors. 5.1Ghz Zen5 is scary fast, belive what he-man said.

Source i can't say.
Umm, first Morpheus is Zen 6. Second, are you honestly claiming that zen is +50% IPC and Arrow lake is (at times) 20% faster still?

Yeah, not buying it.
 

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Having multiple SOC options for a given laptop is a really magical thing!
Pretty sure one of the recent Vivobooks with Hamoa is also Strix.
I mean confusopoly for the user, who is not extremely knowledgeable, to be able to select the good product.

Last time I went to Best Buy, one of the bigger ones in NYC, and they must have had well over 60 models...

AMD. not building mindshare / brand awareness is at mercy of others to define AMD - like OEMs, retailers etc...

Maybe Zen 5 will be a brand new start in this arena. AMD badly needs one...
 

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Let's suppose it is true, that Strix has a higher than normal number of design wins.
Lunar lake claims the same.
QCOM clams the same (and we have seen a good number of higher profile design wins).
Intel also claims to have a lot of design wins for Meteor Lake.
AMD says it has a good number of design wins for Hawk Point.

I am at a loss to reconcile this. The combined number of these design wins seems like it will be 2x of what we have seen before. So it is likely going to be a complete confusopoly...
My take.... Intel has done nothing but say good things for years, and so far nothing has come close to what they said. QCOM I can't speak for, AMD on the other hand has beaten expectations for like 5 years or more, so based on recent repulation, I will vote that AMD is most likely going to have the win this round.
 

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