My apologies. The offer still stands and I remain your humble subject (only for purposes of lending you my 12700K. For anything else, I would prefer that you sign an NDA).You made it weird
Are you taking the people responding to Igor "Voice in my head" Kavinski seriously? Or Hans "RDNA3 uses inferior silicon" Gruber?This thread sure is moving fast.
Zen5 vs Zen4 IPC boost reaching 50-100%, and MT perf improvement higher than ST on top.
I might even be prepared to pay $999 for the top 16C SKU that has been promised by some in this thread if this turns out to be true.
Are you taking the people responding to Igor "It came to me in a dream" Kavinski seriously? Or Hans "RDNA3 uses inferior silicon" Gruber?
Then you must also take the people saying clock regression with 5-10% IPC seriously.
The aggregate spreadsheet, to which I asked you to add your predictions numerous times but remains absent, still has an average of 25% (a bit too high in my opinion)
Where is this spreadsheet? I must've missed it. Can you post a link to it? Thanks in advance!
It's information overload lately.Are you taking the people responding to Igor "It came to me in a dream" Kavinski seriously? Or Hans "RDNA3 uses inferior silicon" Gruber?
Then you must also take the people saying clock regression with 5-10% IPC seriously.
I'm not making any predictions. I'm an observer. But I'm missing predictions from several of the main leakers / self claimed insiders in this thread, who has been most vocal about their claims, in that spreadsheet. Would be nice if they could add their concrete numbers to the spreadsheet, for clarity and accountability.The aggregate spreadsheet, to which I asked you to add your predictions numerous times but remains absent, still has an average of 25% (a bit too high in my opinion)
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something-something rows 7 and 11I'm not making any predictions. I'm an observer. But I'm missing predictions from several of the main leakers / self claimed insiders in this thread, who has been most vocal about their claims, in that spreadsheet.
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It's not his, you're free to add your predictions (it's not mine either).I don't want to mess with your doc but I previously said 22-25% favoring the lower end. Fmax is a crapshoot. I'll go with 5.9GHz because they don't want 6GHz being the big story, just like they did with Zen 3 rated at 4.9GHz when it could hit 5GHz. So 22% / 5.9GHz if you wish to add me.
There has to be a Zen 5 chip that will do 6ghz. They are still going to be on the 5nm silicon. 3nm would have given them problems. AMD back peddled from speed digression because 4nm is the enhanced/optimized version of 5nm silicon that Zen 4 was based on. Originally Zen 5 was to debut on 3nm. I will say at least a boost speed of 6ghz should be a given for the 9950x. That's only 300mhz more than the 7950x and N4 is much better than N5.I don't want to mess with your doc but I previously said 22-25% favoring the lower end. Fmax is a crapshoot. I'll go with 5.9GHz because they don't want 6GHz being the big story, just like they did with Zen 3 rated at 4.9GHz when it could hit 5GHz. So 22% / 5.9GHz if you wish to add me.
You would think that the range/variability of speculation starts to minimize and coalesce as the announcement gets closer, but I think this thread proved that wrong.This thread sure is moving fast.
Zen5 vs Zen4 IPC boost reaching 50-100%, and MT perf improvement higher than ST on top.
I might even be prepared to pay $999 for the top 16C SKU that has been promised by some in this thread if this turns out to be true.
So row 11 covers for one of the main leakers (if he's actually claimed that, IIRC it was some SpecINT claim instead, but not sure?). But I'm missing info from the other main self-claimed leaker in this thread in that speadsheet.something-something rows 7 and 11
Uh oh. Didn't need to him THAT.It's not his, you're free to add your predictions (it's not mine either).
Your arch nemesis adroc is above spreadsheets!I'm missing info from at least one main self-claimed leaker in this thread in that speadsheet.
If Zen 5 desktop is built on N4X, I feel pretty confident that someone could OC it to 6 GHz. Whether or not AMD will advertise it as 6 GHz capable is another argument entirely.There has to be a Zen 5 chip that will do 6ghz. They are still going to be on the 5nm silicon. 3nm would have given them problems. AMD back peddled from speed digression because 4nm is the enhanced/optimized version of 5nm silicon that Zen 4 was based on. Originally Zen 5 was to debut on 3nm. I will say at least a boost speed of 6ghz should be a given for the 9950x. That's only 300mhz more than the 7950x and N4 is much better than N5.
Rumors say it will ST boost to 6 GHz. I read it somewhere. Maybe around here.If Zen 5 desktop is built on N4X, I feel pretty confident that someone could OC it to 6 GHz.
I'm pretty sure he's on there if you know his other alias...So row 11 covers for one of the main leakers (if he's actually claimed that, IIRC it was some SpecINT claim instead, but not sure?). But I'm missing info from the other main self-claimed leaker in this thread in that speadsheet.
why do you think I mentioned two rows?So row 11 covers for one of the main leakers (if he's actually claimed that, IIRC it was some SpecINT claim instead, but not sure?). But I'm missing info from the other main self-claimed leaker in this thread in that speadsheet.
I think it's just N4 but I thought I read somewhere that TSMC wanted to push N4P (offering incentives discounts) to all their customers. I think they wanted N4P because N3 (3nm) sucks other than impressive efficiency numbers. The next iteration of 3nm should be arriving by the end of 2024. That is what I would suspect a Zen5+ refresh with 3nm would be based on in 2025. I think AMD will need a Zen 5 on 3nm because of Arrow Lake and the efficiency gains of 20A (5nm). Whatever 20A provides, Intel says 18A will be 10% more efficient than 20A.If Zen 5 desktop is built on N4X, I feel pretty confident that someone could OC it to 6 GHz. Whether or not AMD will advertise it as 6 GHz capable is another argument entirely.
Ok, so we're doing aliases now, I was not aware of that. What's the point, confusion? 🤣 Anyway, if row 7 is the other main self-claimed leaker in this thread I'm fine with that, if he confirms it (so it's not "forced upon him").I'm pretty sure he's on there if you know his other alias...
Dont think N4X is needed for that as i can already OC cores on CCD1 to ~6.2ghz on my 7950X3D, using only watercoolingIf Zen 5 desktop is built on N4X, I feel pretty confident that someone could OC it to 6 GHz. Whether or not AMD will advertise it as 6 GHz capable is another argument entirely.
If you followed B3D forums, that name popped up quite frequently...Ok, so we're doing aliases now, I was not aware of that. What's the point, confusion? 🤣 Anyway, if row 7 is the other main self-claimed leaker in this thread I'm fine with that, if he confirms it (so it's not "forced upon him").