Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[Mahboi]

Quadrupling down on the Zen 5 ipc info

IPI + 15%, whatever that means
AVX512 + 30%

Aaaaaaah THAT's his dodge. Clever boi, preparing for a 45% uplift and is going to jump on "AVX 512 did more than I expect".

 

[Mahboi]

If by charisma you mean annoyingly self-important then sure.

It works more than most would care to admit.
With a lot of people, all it takes is self-important confidence. His is just obnoxious after awhile. "EXCLOOSIVLY LEAKD BY MOORESLAWISDEAD(ME) (ME) (ME) (ME) (ME) (ME) (ME)"

 

[Mahboi]

IPI - Instructions Per Instruction - chip capable of inception is upon us


Hides behind sofa 🛋

@SarahKerrigan, behold, your beloved Itanium is back!

 

[Bigos]

IPI = inter-processor interrupt. As far as I know it is a mechanism to preempt one core from another, usually used in the kernel and device drivers.

Probably not what this person had in mind.

 

[inf64]

You are all assuming that his "sources" are legit and not someone trolling him (again).

 

[PJVol]

You are all assuming that his "sources" are legit and not someone trolling him (again)

Or maybe, knowing this, he is trolling his “sources” (this time), who knows...

 

[tsamolotoff]

You are all assuming that his "sources" are legit and not someone trolling him (again).

I guess Tom is just too small for SEC to audit his activities, it smells like market manipulation to me (although I can't exclude the possibility that his level of unwarrented self-importance is well over 9000)

 

[Goop_reformed]

I guess Tom is just too small for SEC to audit his activities, it smells like market manipulation to me (although I can't exclude the possibility that his level of unwarrented self-importance is well over 9000)

The fed only goes after the stupid players

 

[Kaffeekenan]

Or maybe, knowing this, he is trolling his “sources” (this time), who knows...

I may have found a way to identify some of his questionable quotes. Bear with me:

In the video where he was trolled with the fake slide, he based the first of his alleged testimonials on that slide. And in both of these he uses the Expression "Oh, and...":

Source 1: "[...] Oh, and please note, that the average IPC Uplift will not be close to 40% [...]"

Source 2: "Oh, and we were also told, that both client and server Zen 5 are targeting Q3 for launch."

And in his newest video from yesterday:

Source 2: "[...] Oh, and I should warn you, that Turin AI sounds cancelled".

I assume, that all of these sources are not real quotes and that Tom ist making them up at least to a certain degree. And while making them up he accidentaly uses an expression like "oh, and" to basically make it sound like an interesting information tidbit. At least I will be extra extra careful, when I read "oh, and" in Tom's videos from now on.

Sherlock Holmes signing off... :-D

EDIT:

Just checked his Zen 7 / Prometheus leak. Haha, get this:

"Oh, and it has a large focus on reducing power consumption consistently [...]"

 

[poke01]

If clocks are near identical and the core count is the same. Where do such people think performance improvement comes from?

IPC

The CLOCKS are the same. That itself is a big hint. Its going to be a bloodbath. If MLID thinks all AMD can muster is 15% in 2 years when Zen 5 is a "ground up" redesign, then he needs to wake up.

 

[FlameTail]

If clocks are the same and the core count is the same. Where do such people think performance improvement comes from?

IPC

The CLOCKS are the same. That itself is a big hint. Its going to be a bloodbath. If MLID thinks all AMD can muster is 15% in 2 years when Zen 5 is a "ground up" redesign, then he needs to wake up.

Cortex X925 was a ground up redesign, no? It has only +17% IPC. The era of huge IPC gains is no more. Perhaps Zen5 will be an exception and set a new blazing trail.

 

[poke01]

@adroc_thurston

Is 9600X also coming in July?

AMD Ryzen 9000 Zen5 desktop series confirmed to launch in July - VideoCardz.com

AMD Ryzen 9000 series in July New desktop CPUs next month. AMD’s next-generation desktop CPU series is set to launch next month. We received this information from our sources yesterday, and can now confirm it through a leak. The image above was shared by a leaker yesterday but was quickly taken...

videocardz.com

 

[itsmydamnation]

. The era of huge IPC gains is no more.

how would you know ,

necessity is the mother of invention. We haven't needed to move on from Tomasulo's OOOE model for example

your like a pigeon and "CPU's and overclocking" is the board.......

 

[adroc_thurston]

It has only +17% IPC

Less.
It's a big-big dud.

Perhaps Zen5 will be an exception and set a new blazing trail.

Some people are far more capable in the arts of butchery, yes.

 

[Thibsie]

Cortex X925 was a ground up redesign, no? It has only +17% IPC.

They don't need to. CORTEX X925 (what a stupid name) is Arm and Arm will soon reign the world and old depleted and hated x86 will fade very quickly into oblivion.

 

[adroc_thurston]

AVX512 + 30%

This is extremely, extremely funny.
More on that later.

 

[Thibsie]

This is extremely, extremely funny.
More on that later.

Hope so ☺️

 

[eek2121]

5950X3D confirmed?

Not that I have heard, just some budget, possibly OEM only parts, though we may see more rebrands. AM4 just won’t give up!

 

[Thibsie]

Not that I have heard, just some budget, possibly OEM only parts, though we may see more rebrands. AM4 just won’t give up!

Good, good 😊
I may upgrade my 5600X to something X3D before going AM6 in a couple years.

 

[branch_suggestion]

This is extremely, extremely funny.
More on that later.

Surely not.

 

[eek2121]

This is just rebrands.

My apologies, btw, if I sounded a bit abrasive. I just found about these changes/launches/rebrands/whatever a few months ago, and when I hinted at it here you were quick to shoot it down.

This dude. I become should become a YouTuber and sell snake oil. I maintain my >30% IPC uplift.

Honestly I personally have considered it, but I am an autistic dude, nobody would watch me lol.

If clocks are near identical and the core count is the same. Where do such people think performance improvement comes from?

IPC

The CLOCKS are the same. That itself is a big hint. Its going to be a bloodbath. If MLID thinks all AMD can muster is 15% in 2 years when Zen 5 is a "ground up" redesign, then he needs to wake up.

Yep, also, Zen 5 having same peak SC clocks was hinted at a while back.

Zen 5 is an absolute beast.

Everyone in the industry x86, ARM, and RISC-V alike, are going to be chasing AMD’s performance. Good luck catching up.

I just wish Strix Halo were dropping sooner. 😭 I buy laptops with high end CPUs/midrange GPUs every time I upgrade due to my mixed workload, so it looks to be perfect for my next laptop. I also hope AMD doesn’t cancel it.

 

[Goop_reformed]

Surely not.

Yeah it doubles

 

[Kaffeekenan]

This is extremely, extremely funny.
More on that later.

@adroc_thurston sooooooo, higher or lower?

 

[Nothingness]

Zen 5 is an absolute beast.

Everyone in the industry x86, ARM, and RISC-V alike, are going to be chasing AMD’s performance. Good luck catching up.

Ha great, you have more information than us mere mortals. Including roadmaps from all companies doing CPU design

I'm excited as all others about Zen5, but why do people make such grandiloquent claims less than 2 days before the announcement?

 

[adroc_thurston]

but why do people make such grandiloquent claims less than 2 days before the announcement?

Cuz Cortex X5 kinda fizzled out.