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adroc_thurston

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This is one of the things I actually look forward to AI being useful for - "hey Siri, watch this Youtube video for me and provide a written transcript that elides all the ads, [once Google finally figures out how to make me actually see any] talk about sponsors, and self-promotional crap
Thing is, you gotta pay for that.
Will you?
 
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eek2121

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Gosh, I hope not, at least if they do I’m going to try my hardest not to spoil myself. Most of the fun will be to watch it live and chat with y’all here in this thread.
Dude, unless you say to yourself "AI" hundreds of times a day or like hearing it, just look at the slides and skip the rest. The entire industry outside of publicly traded companies is sick of AI being constantly pinned on everything.
So it's an Intel Atom?
Atom is great. It is one of the few things Intel has going for it that could make a difference.
This is one of the things I actually look forward to AI being useful for - "hey Siri, watch this Youtube video for me and provide a written transcript that elides all the ads, [once Google finally figures out how to make me actually see any] talk about sponsors, and self-promotional crap"

I generally refuse to watch Youtube videos that are just talking - and I've found it is safe to assume that if you're given a link to Youtube video as a source of "news" 99% of the time it is pushing conspiracy theories and/or highly slanted partisan bs. If Google ever succeeds in making me see ads on Youtube with either Linux/Firefox/uBlock or iPhone/Safari/FirefoxFocus I'll give it up completely unless/until I can get Siri to watch it for me. Then Google will be out to figure out a way to prevent AIs from watching Youtube - good luck find a CAPTCHA for Youtube that AIs can't do but doesn't annoy humans to the point of near insanity lol!
Now you understand Apple's approach to AI and why they have tried to be very careful about execution. Local, device only AI is the actual future, not all that cloud based subscription nonsense and expensive data center stuff that NVIDIA is making tons of money on.

For every 100 billion companies are throwing away "investing", they are seeing only about a billion in revenue in return, and revenue != profit. The bubble pop is going to seriously kill economies worldwide. You can call me a pessimist and ignore me, but unless things changed drastically, the collapse is coming. Bookmark this post.
 

Kryohi

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Yeah.
LLMs cost actual money to run.
Gotta pay.
Nah. What they described can be done locally with no problems, probably even using one of the current 8B LLMs with some multimodal capability. Heck, I can see something like that popping up on GitHub/HF within months and running even on CPUs.

Now that I think of it, the new avx512 instructions in zen 5 are only for ML stuff or do they have other applications?
 
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eek2121

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8B LLM has more DRAM requirements than anything phones will ship for the foreseeable future.
Come on.
Correct, however, the on device capabilities are the ones that are actually going to sell units, and that is what is hilarious to me. I know customers won't quite get the difference, but they will ujnderstand that $10-$50 per month subscription fee on top of netflix, max, disney+, hulu, spotify...should I go on? It is a bad bet and you couldn't pay me to invest right now. There might be some short term profit to be had, but the crash ...oh lordy. Word on the street has it that if you chant AI enough times you will be uploaded and your presence erased.

Wall Street went somewhat all in on dot com and look what happened. They've lost their minds when it comes to AI, I've been waiting to buy the puts and short certain companies because I don't think we are quite at the top, but Jensen babbling like a used car salesman convinces me it might be time. Hopefully AMD practices just a tiny bit of restraint.
 

Kryohi

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8B LLM has more DRAM requirements than anything phones will ship for the foreseeable future.
Come on.
I was thinking laptops, but anyway you're wrong, a more than decent quantization of an 8B model will keep it below 6GB. Most smartphones are shipping with 8GB or more of RAM nowadays.
People are running llama3 on raspberry pis, come on.
 

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No RDNA4 in Computex.

If she didnt mention RDNA4 there s few chances that it will be exposed, hope that she ll eventually give some hints for what is to be expected, i mean, DT Ryzen will have to rely on GPUs for AI, that would be uncautious to instillate the idea that it could be only a GPU from Nvidia.
 
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adroc_thurston

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Would be worth it.
I don't think poopypanties chatbot is worth anything but I digress.
It's a cute party trick but not something worth squezing your OS over.
How does MS have anything to do with what we were talking about?
MS has been shilling >AI for over a year and so far the only usecase they present is a literal rootkit with OCR engine attached.
Genius.
 

Mahboi

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I love how everyone is shocked like it's the first time ever that it's happened.
Hey now that I remember it, MLID sat very firmly on 15% improvement at best. It's going to be Olympic Ice Skating triple spin + salto if it's even close or above 30%. The lid was tight.
 
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eek2121

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No RDNA4 in Computex.

If she didnt mention RDNA4 there s few chances that it will be exposed, hope that she ll eventually give some hints for what is to be expected, i mean, DT Ryzen will have to rely on GPUs for AI, that would be uncautious to instillate the idea that it could be only a GPU from Nvidia.
I did mention this in the RDNA4 thread. The release date was never going to be today. We might get a preview. The announcement will be at SIGGRAPH
 
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