I mean, AMD should be the option...It's not Qualcomm, they have negative channel presence.
It's MS being desperate to be free of Wintel.
AFAIK the actual silicon is still there in current cores, it's just disabled in microcode or something.What is AVX512? Is that thing that was supported by scrapped Knight Mill/Landing/etc, or Skylake-EP (with nice product segmentation with random silver xeons having one or two ports for "AVX512"), or mythical Cooper Lake and so on and so forth...
Depends on the input/question, the AI model and the amount of training.Ask the same question to the same AI tomorrow and you might surprise by the quite possible different answer.
More like Win86 if so.It's MS being desperate to be free of Wintel.
Yeah exactly. They want more entrants, not just to switch the power between intel and AMD. They want competition and making windows rely on ARM means lower barrier to entry. Still, lack of proper x86 compatibility means a hard no. We're a generation or two away from their goal.More like Win86 if so.
They certainly don't act like they would like to be free of Intel specifically - they never seem to make much more than the bare minimum of effort to support AMD.
AMD doesn't exist in MS zeitgeist, client-wise.More like Win86 if so.
It's really not lower, remember that Qualcomm's greatest and bestest is very incrementally better than the pastgen AMD/Intel IP (and do note that PHX and MTL both have/had funny issues).They want competition and making windows rely on ARM means lower barrier to entry.
Well, I mean in the sense that if windows on arm does well then other companies can make processors for it. It opens the floodgates and drives down the cost of processors for windows. Right now though, Qualcomm isn't really viable.AMD doesn't exist in MS zeitgeist, client-wise.
It's really not lower, remember that Qualcomm's greatest and bestest is very incrementally better than the pastgen AMD/Intel IP (and do note that PHX and MTL both have/had funny issues).
Interaction with Copilot:
Question: ”What is the estimated IPC increase for Zen5 based on the discussion in this forum thread: http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...strix-point-granite-ridge-ryzen-9000.2607350/ ? ”
Answer: ”The discussion on the Zen 5 architecture in the AnandTech forums suggests several estimates for its IPC increase. Here are some key points:
Keep in mind that these estimates vary, and official details may differ once AMD releases more information. Nonetheless, Zen 5 appears to offer significant improvements in IPC and efficiency.”
- Dual Decode and Integer Units:
- Zen 5 is expected to have dual decode, making it 8 wide (2x 4 wide) in a Tremont-style configuration.
- Interestingly, the bandwidth to the integer units was not increased. This decision might be due to the integer units not being bandwidth-constrained, assuming improvements in branch prediction and data prefetch1.
- Industry Standard Estimate:
- MLID’s Observation:
- TechPowerUp Hands-On:
- The Ryzen 9 9950X, based on Zen 5, promises a 16% IPC uplift over Zen 4. It features a slightly upgraded 4 nm foundry node4.
Question: ”So if what is the outcome of this, if you have to provide only one number for expected IPC increase for Zen5?”
Answer: ”While the estimates vary, if I had to provide a single number for the expected IPC increase in Zen 5, I would suggest around 20%. Keep in mind that this is an industry-standard estimate, and the actual performance may differ once AMD releases official details.”
So 20% it is. Or Copilot will not get the Win12 AI PC sticker.
That's kinda the thing, as a new entrant you have to be meaningfully better to win slots and move volumes.Well, I mean in the sense that if windows on arm does well then other companies can make processors for it
leave his soul alone, dolan.It opens the floodgates and drives down the cost of processors for windows
QC stuff is very alright, just that they promised a moonshot and delivered incrementalism.Right now though, Qualcomm isn't really viable.
It's not that accurate...Maybe it's because I'm old but I find this uncanny. It's impressive but kinda scary how accurate the summary is. It's better than most humans are able to do.
Skynet is coming. Prepare the lube.
MLID will get information from someone that in some one test out of the entire field of tests, the Zen5 IPC growth curve shows a 30% IPC increase, and MLID will rudely announce that Zen5 has a +30% IPC increase.
I agree. Now I have only been reading for a few MONTHS, but even I know the 16% is CLOSE to an average, but some benchmarks are as high as 40% over Zen 4. And I also know that server,desktop,mobile are all in different worlds and will have different uplifts, and the difference may be a lot.It's not that accurate...
I give you Exhibit A:
Reality, however?
1) MLID is not a forum member.
2) MLID didn't say that. No only did he not say that, he wasn't even the one talking. In fact, what really happened was that AMDK11 joked that MLID will run with 30% IPC claims after hearing about it performing that well in one test.
This reminds me of how Google's AI Overview is getting a bunch of info wrong, because it found one instance of some random person claiming something on the internet, so it regurgitates it without having a way to check if the claim was true or not.
I recovered my old config. It only improved the rate marginally.Acquired the correct version, running it now.
7950X stock with 2x16GB 6000C30 EXPO
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Quite a bit slower, but my memory config is worse. I used to have a stable 6400C30 2133FCLK config with this ram but it's lost in a bios backup that is not plaintext and doesn't restore onto the current version. Maybe I'll finally get around to flashing back to extract that config.
your grandson will still be smarter than any A.I., the best intelligence is the human brain.As I have said before AI is in its infancy, most of the time not even close today or anytime in the near future. Give it 20-30 years......And then, it may only as smart as a 5 year old. My 6 year old grandson is already so far above AI, it’s not funny.
If it's successful it does open windows to the mobile processor companies. The chip is fine, it's late. It is good but I'm expected and to clean up. That lack of compatibility to x86 is the downfall in my opinion. Might be worked out in a gen or two.That's kinda the thing, as a new entrant you have to be meaningfully better to win slots and move volumes.
Apple move to homegrown Si worked because their parts just rolled over contemporary Intel stuffs.
leave his soul alone, dolan.
QC stuff is very alright, just that they promised a moonshot and delivered incrementalism.
No?If it's successful it does open windows to the mobile processor companies
Well yeah that's why wintel is eternal.That lack of compatibility to x86 is the downfall in my opinion
That's how it originally was.Wouldn't a 8 Zen5 + 4 Zen5C be better for efficiency instead?
M3 Pro has 6 weenies and Intel 28-35W parts also have 8 Atoms.Like how LNL or Apple Mx chips have 4E cores.
They would have, to, yes. If Qualcomm did this successfully it would mean a reason to invest for ARM software..right now that's costly. Qualcomm being successful creates a feedback loop. If Qualcomm is successful , that is. And this round they shouldn't be.No?
They gotta ship better IP than x86 incumbents.
Well yeah that's why wintel is eternal.
At the end of the day it's all for nothing if they mess up on their end though.Yeah exactly. They want more entrants, not just to switch the power between intel and AMD. They want competition and making windows rely on ARM means lower barrier to entry. Still, lack of proper x86 compatibility means a hard no. We're a generation or two away from their goal.
Interesting. Zen5 abd Zen4 mixing?That's how it originally was.
Well, it was also 8 Z5 + 4 Z4c even before that.
I was thinking about that. For a long time, it seemed like four 'e-cores' was the sweet spot.M3 Pro has 6 weenies and Intel 28-35W parts also have 8 Atoms.
S'fine.
From way back when, yes.Zen5 abd Zen4 mixing?
It still is for low power clusters.For a long time, it seemed like four 'e-cores' was the sweet spot.
Cheap nT is cheap.M3 Pro had 6 E-cores. Now the M4 also has 6 E-cores. Qualcomm's upcoming 8G4 has 6 e-cores.
Yessir need to hit that cost point.AMD has gone further by implementing 8 'e-cores' in Strix Point.
Hard to do with current Windows structure, team and Microsoft leadership.At the end of the day it's all for nothing if they mess up on their end though.
Win12 needs to not make some new wild UI swing or DX flashiness and just concentrate entirely on optimisation of what they already have.
Unfortunately the response to that was less than lukewarm given how disastrous Win8 was for them, causing Win7 to remain the preferred version long after even Win10 came out.The last rock solid polish Windows version was 8.1