Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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Interesting, this Minisforum AtomMan G7 MiniPC that will be released on July 10th will give an early glimps of the Strix Halo gaming performance:



It has a 7945HX (16 core Dragon Range CPU) + a 32CU 7600M XT in a rather spacious form-factor.

Strix Halo should offer better performance with its 40 RDNA 3.5 CUs and Zen 5, but it will probably be cooling limited in thin and light laptops.

The effective bandwidth of the two GPUs should be very similar (256 GB/s with LPDDRX-8000 vs 288 GB/s for 7600M XT). The MALL / L3 is the same size (but Strix needs to share stuff with the CPU). And while Strix has 25% more CUs (possibliy also clocked higher based on Strix Point's 2.9 Ghz) I don't think it will outpace the 7600M by more than 20-30% at most.

It won't be the same but the ballpark will be similar.

very cool

size, weight, price?
 

Mopetar

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So what's the consensus here, is zen 5 good yet?

It's still in a state of flux, but we're usually somewhere between 5 and 50%. As soon as I can figure out a way to isolate these polar extremes and attach them to a bar, I think I'll be able to build an engine capable of powering a small country.

The real determination depends on pricing. Even a 50% performance bump could be killed by an even higher increase in prices. Similarly even if it were only 5% better if it were half the cost people would be singing its praises for years to come.
 
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He mangle my name to igor_kavinsky

I WILL SUE!

Maybe his mind went, Eyegore KavinSKY!

He also didn't bother to read the rest of the thread before posting this crap table:



That score has nothing to do with the percentages!

At least WTFtech didn't invent stuff.

Oh well. Now I get to read their reader comments too.
 
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Exactly, and unless you enjoy walled gardens it is a horrible eco system.

I wasn't aware that my M1 MBP can't run whatever I might want to install or compile from source. Maybe you're referring to their iOS devices. If you've ever had to do tech support for your technology illiterate family you want them in a walled garden unless you don't value your time.

Maybe someone using a phone tablet as a sole device would feel differently, but I can't think of any instance where Apple's walled garden has made my iPad/iPhone experience worse. In reality it doesn't exist for anyone technical enough to need the ability to install their own programs as you can get a developer account and install whatever you want on your own device. I suppose you could argue that precludes being able to run arbitrary closed source binaries, but that's its own form of walled garden.

Frankly I wish there was a nice PC/Android walled garden option available as some people neither need nor should have the absolute freedom typically afforded by those platforms. Or are you the sort that doesn't believe in putting your kid in a play pen? Little Timmy should have the freedom to crawl out onto the street. People focus too much on the walls in the metaphor and ignore the garden, a pleasant place to be and to be kept apart from outside invaders. There are things with walls that don't enclose a garden, so unless you consider iOS a prison you should ease up on the banal and off-topic moralizing.
 

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He mangle my name to igor_kavinsky

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Percentages are hard.
 

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He mangle my name to igor_kavinsky

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Maybe his mind went, Eyegore KavinSKY!

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That score has nothing to do with the percentages!

At least WTFtech didn't invent stuff.

Oh well. Now I get to read their reader comments too.

I for one prefer igor_kavinsky... This igor_kavinski person seems a bit unhinged.
 

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I wasn't aware that my M1 MBP can't run whatever I might want to install or compile from source. Maybe you're referring to their iOS devices. If you've ever had to do tech support for your technology illiterate family you want them in a walled garden unless you don't value your time.

Maybe someone using a phone tablet as a sole device would feel differently, but I can't think of any instance where Apple's walled garden has made my iPad/iPhone experience worse. In reality it doesn't exist for anyone technical enough to need the ability to install their own programs as you can get a developer account and install whatever you want on your own device. I suppose you could argue that precludes being able to run arbitrary closed source binaries, but that's its own form of walled garden.

Frankly I wish there was a nice PC/Android walled garden option available as some people neither need nor should have the absolute freedom typically afforded by those platforms. Or are you the sort that doesn't believe in putting your kid in a play pen? Little Timmy should have the freedom to crawl out onto the street. People focus too much on the walls in the metaphor and ignore the garden, a pleasant place to be and to be kept apart from outside invaders. There are things with walls that don't enclose a garden, so unless you consider iOS a prison you should ease up on the banal and off-topic moralizing.
I've had the pleasure of trying to fix a borked Mac without access to the app store, where I wasn't even able to install any form of MacOS. That was not a pleasant experience. It was an old intel Mac so the only way to get it running was to install windows 10.

So my main problem is that you can't get anything from Apple if you don't use their store, and their general anti competitive behavior in their store.

Sure their hardware is really nice, but I really don't like how they use the store.

For me a walled garden is not only whether I can run code, but also how much control over and how I can mod the OS itself.

Maybe it is just because I'm better at Windows, but if something goes wrong it is oftenmore transparent in Windows than MacOS.

I really don't care about phones or tablets, as to me they are just toys. So if whether you prefer Android or iOS is just personal preference.
 

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He mangle my name to igor_kavinsky

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Maybe his mind went, Eyegore KavinSKY!

He also didn't bother to read the rest of the thread before posting this crap table:

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It is Tom's, what did you expect ?
 
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I wasn't aware that my M1 MBP can't run whatever I might want to install or compile from source. Maybe you're referring to their iOS devices.

If you have a Mac you can run whatever you might want to install or compile from source on your iPhone. It costs $99 for a developer license, but if you're just running it on your own device you don't need that.
 

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Looks like AMD is considering changes to Zen 5 TDP figures. Changing 9700X from 65W -> 120W TDP.
I can't imagine any reason for them to do that. It won't provide a meaningful uplift in Gaming (probably nothing at all). Only thing I could imagine is that 88W PPT 9700X looks a bit dull next to 142 PPT 7700X in heavy multithreading, so they are using brute force now.
 
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