Gaming numbers don't seem to be good
Gaming numbers don't seem to be good
I don't see any gaming numbers in your message.
CapFrameX is on the same level as userbenchmark with regards to AMD. Best to ignore both unless you want to read something really wrong and misleading.
For a Xitter handle that appears to be the front face for his CapFrameX software, he sure does spend a lot of time pushing his own agenda rather than use the handle to market the software…Quick search seems to suggest that yes, they are Userbenchmark-lite, if you will.
Ignore grifters.Gaming numbers don't seem to be good
What is that in fluid ounces?Aussie prices list for zen5(my guess) in AUD:
9600X - $499
9700X - $650
9900X - $850
9950X - $1199
The first quote says AMD ought to release Zen5X3D as soon as the chip is ready. But then the second quote says the regular Zen5 was ready already in early 2023, but is not released until now in July 2024.
So in that case why use differt policy for Zen5 vs Zen5X3D? Why not release both as soon as possible after they are ready?
(For regular Zen5, I know there is some lead time from A0 silicon until actual release is possible. But it ought to be much shorter than from early 2023 until now.)
For the first bullet, do you mean just frequency bumps or did you have something else in mind?
For the second bullet, would that mean Zen6 release in like 12-18 months from now, so mid-life kicker is not needed?
He is also known as CopeFrameXFor a Xitter handle that appears to be the front face for his CapFrameX software, he sure does spend a lot of time pushing his own agenda rather than use the handle to market the software…
7950x was 699 at launch IIRC and i bought it in December, about 3 months till official release, already for 100 less. There were reasons for that, cpus not selling that well cause of the high price of the new AM5 platform overall, which wont repeat this time around, but as other people said, its not that much faster to separate itself at the top for significantly higher prices to be justifiable. IMO the one reason why the CCDs are the same size as Zen4 and only transistor count increase comes from the newer denser process, is cause AMD dont thinks they can sell more expensive than Z4 and wont be giving any additional performance increase for “free” - as in potentially bigger CCDs could have been even faster, but AMD would expect to be paid for every additional mm2, and people would not be willing to pay….$899 would the most expensive mainstream consumer product AMD ever sold, $799 is more than the MSRP for 7950X.
The 7950X is going for <$500 right now, nobody is going to pay >50% more for a 15% performance increase.
Closer to CES 2027 according to rumors.Yeah, that may be a possibility. If Zen 6 can be released by the end of 2025 or at CES 2026, then there is no reason for any "midlife kicker", since the "midlife kicker" Zen 5 x3d is now speculated to be released in 2024
The performance increase in various workloads is great considering the CCD size is about the same. It scales better in MT with additional power, as long as it is properly cooled. They are in a lot better position than Intel. They are dealing with the limits imposed by the laws of physics just like everyone else. Even Apple's design isn't immune to these problems and they have been forced to push their silicon to higher frequencies. Qualcomm can't even get their demoed highest frequency SD Elite X SKUs into WoA laptops, possibly due to yield issues.Or i am completely wrong and its the same size cause any bigger would not fit under IHS
Yeah, but limiting the size to be about the same is their deliberate decision, and even though the perf increase might be great for that size, its likely limited by that decision to be possibly significantly more.The performance increase in various workloads is great considering the CCD size is about the same. It scales better in MT with additional power, as long as it is properly cooled. They are in a lot better position than Intel. They are dealing with the limits imposed by the laws of physics just like everyone else. Even Apple's design isn't immune to these problems and they have been forced to push their silicon to higher frequencies. Qualcomm can't even get their demoed highest frequency SD Elite X SKUs into WoA laptops, possibly due to yield issues.
The future is going to require ingenious solutions, both at the architecture and process level to get bigger gains. Increasing CCD size is a bad option for AMD since they don't own fabs and don't have "blind" brand loyalty like Intel users so they always have problems selling their CPUs at higher prices, except in the server space where the higher performance at lower power use automatically translates into huge data center cost savings.
It's just AMD being cautious and not trying to bite off more than they can chew. The X3D is supposed to be the special SKU of this generation. The competition by the end of the year will be super interesting to watch and unless Intel manages some miracle, this will be AMD's year.Regarding scaling better with additional power, granted , it scales where zen4 stopped to scale. The scaling is still rather insignificant, its not like gain additional 50 percent of perf going from 160W to 230. Its maybe 10~15 percent and while thats more than almost nothing before, its still not something extremely impressive, that would take zen5 out of sight of Zen4/RPL perf-wise. And thats really the most important thing imo.
Yes, you are completely wrong ;-) and it is precisely because bigger CCDs would not fit under the IHS. And by that I refer to 1 sIOD + up to 16 CCDs having to fit under Turin's IHS. Granite Ridge's IHS would certainly have room for a little bigger CCDs still. (Although maybe Granite Ridge and Turin might receive CCDs at differing steppings, I presume that the design is the same, just like it was shared between desktop and server in Zen1...Zen4.)IMO the one reason why the CCDs are the same size as Zen4 and only transistor count increase comes from the newer denser process, is cause AMD dont thinks they can sell more expensive than Z4 and wont be giving any additional performance increase for “free” - as in potentially bigger CCDs could have been even faster, but AMD would expect to be paid for every additional mm2, and people would not be willing to pay….
Or i am completely wrong and its the same size cause any bigger would not fit under IHS
Probably high performance mode. That laptop also has high TDP so your typical business laptop is not going to be anywhere close.Finally the GB6 run with Strix boosting properly and it breaks the 2.9k score for the first time.
ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ProArt P16 H7606WI_H7606WI - Geekbench
Benchmark results for an ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ProArt P16 H7606WI_H7606WI with an AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 w/ Radeon 890M processor.browser.geekbench.comASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ProArt P16 H7606WI_H7606WI - Geekbench
Benchmark results for an ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ProArt P16 H7606WI_H7606WI with an AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 w/ Radeon 890M processor.browser.geekbench.com"frequencies": [
5137,
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5135,
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5138,
5137,
5136,
5099,
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5136,
5136,
5137,
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The same laptop wouldn't boost to 5.1 consistently with the power plan set to performance earlier.Probably high performance mode. That laptop also has high TDP so your typical business laptop is not going to be anywhere close.
EDIT: Well, power plan was indeed set to performance.
This should be the final score. David Huang got exactly 3k for the 5.0GHz SKU at Linux. Linux typically has 5% advantage, so it adds up exactly. Also the newest Lunar Lake result has basically exactly the same per clock performance.Finally the GB6 run with Strix boosting properly and it breaks the 2.9k score for the first time.
I don't see any gaming numbers in your message.
CapFrameX is on the same level as userbenchmark with regards to AMD. Best to ignore both unless you want to read something really wrong and misleading.
Speaking of UB. What will the poor chap do when zen5 hits and is faster in every single of his tests ? xD Will he sort the CPU's by his ranking this time ? xDQuick search seems to suggest that yes, they are Userbenchmark-lite, if you will.