This is the one to look out for. Gobs of bandwidth available to the CPU and GPU and unified memory of up to 128/256GB(?)
One can wonder if this will be a problem in newer games that might use more than 4 cores. I mean according to AMD X3D get only one V-cache die, as cross CCD latency would be prohibitive, and here we have cross CCX latency that doesn't look too good. Could it be that Hawk Point may do better in some games than Strix Point?
Because no one buys the 12 cores Zen.The dutch Amazon had the 9600X, 9700X and 9900X online for a small amount of time. The page for the 9900X was linked on WTFTech and is still available but missing the price. I still have a screenshot of the page for the 9700X, the page was gone when reloading. Anyway, there are EUR prices incl. VAT (USD prices excl. VAT in parentheses):
The 9950X wasn't listed.
- 9600X: €307.35 (276.65 USD) (not absolutely sure if this was the price)
- 9700X: €405.69 (365.12 USD)
- 9900X: €508.49 (457.64 USD)
I find these interesting because they were actually below launch MSRP of Zen4, for example around 90 USD lower for the 9900X.
CPUs have gotten too expensive. I still remember buying the 6600K for 230€. Now a similar range CPU goes for 300-350€. That's a 40-50% increaseAMD Ryzen 9000 processors prices listed by French retailer — European Ryzen 9 9900X price at nearly $750
Ryzen 9 9900X is priced at about a $67 premium on the Ryzen 9 7900X at the same retailer.www.tomshardware.com
That doesn't sound good.
That shop seems to practice prohibitive prices. A much larger shop in France, which is not even competitive price wise, lists 7900x at 480 Euros vs pc21.fr 620 Euros. Amazon France is at 390 Euros.AMD Ryzen 9000 processors prices listed by French retailer — European Ryzen 9 9900X price at nearly $750
Ryzen 9 9900X is priced at about a $67 premium on the Ryzen 9 7900X at the same retailer.www.tomshardware.com
That doesn't sound good.
Everything got more expensive but at least we get more performance now compared to the skylake eraCPUs have gotten too expensive. I still remember buying the 6600K for 230€. Now a similar range CPU goes for 300-350€. That's a 40-50% increase
773,100 seconds.Still waiting for AMD to fumble the ball on Zen 5 pricing. The urge to milk early adopters has got to be very hard to resist for them coming from Zen 3 and Zen 4. Maybe they've finally learned their lesson. 9 days left to find out.
773,100 seconds.
Still waiting for AMD to fumble the ball on Zen 5 pricing. The urge to milk early adopters has got to be very hard to resist for them coming from Zen 3 and Zen 4. Maybe they've finally learned their lesson. 9 days left to find out.
If we forget about other markets for a second, Ian Cutress did a BOM analysis for the 7950X when it released in 2022, estimating total BOM to be around $70. For a $700 MSRP product. I have no idea how a 90% profit margin could be considered "very crappy profitability".AMD's client profitability is very crappy, considering how much better their products are than Intel's. They gotta do something. I'd expect at least Zen 4's original MSRP.
I'm certain that, if you look hard enough, you'll find a game or two that have more than 4 highly pressured, time sensitive threads, that will perform better on Hawk Point. The VAST majority of games tend to have 1-2 performance critical threads and an additional 1-2 threads that are very latency sensitive. Beyond that, it's more about running background tasks or off-screen work on unpacking graphics, etc. As long as the threads are there, it doesn't much matter where they are. Given the improvement on ST performance that Strix has though, there's not going to be much that suffers from running on Strix over Hawk.One can wonder if this will be a problem in newer games that might use more than 4 cores. I mean according to AMD X3D get only one V-cache die, as cross CCD latency would be prohibitive, and here we have cross CCX latency that doesn't look too good. Could it be that Hawk Point may do better in some games than Strix Point?
I always suspect companies of hiding stuff. Have some low margins products which won't go down well with the stock market? Hide them with the high margins stuff.If we forget about other markets for a second, Ian Cutress did a BOM analysis for the 7950X when it released in 2022, estimating total BOM to be around $70. For a $700 MSRP product. I have no idea how a 90% profit margin could be considered "very crappy profitability".
Based on his breakdown, the single CCD chips would be ~$45-50 BOM at the time.
Launch prices are higher now, but the 7600X fell below 230€ about half a year after launch and is available for 195€ right now. Also, the main problem with AM5 at launch weren't the processors, but the ridiculous mainboard prices.I still remember buying the 6600K for 230€.
If we forget about other markets for a second, Ian Cutress did a BOM analysis for the 7950X when it released in 2022, estimating total BOM to be around $70. For a $700 MSRP product. I have no idea how a 90% profit margin could be considered "very crappy profitability".
Based on his breakdown, the single CCD chips would be ~$45-50 BOM at the time.
Do you maybe have an idea where to find such breakdown? How well threaded modern games are? And another thing that might bite Strix is Windows scheduler if by chance it will decide to move the time sensitive thread to Zen5c CCX then well... [Of course in ideal world that would not happen, but even 3 years after Alder Lake is on the market it's still not uncommon to find software with issues related to handling the E cores]I'm certain that, if you look hard enough, you'll find a game or two that have more than 4 highly pressured, time sensitive threads, that will perform better on Hawk Point. The VAST majority of games tend to have 1-2 performance critical threads and an additional 1-2 threads that are very latency sensitive. Beyond that, it's more about running background tasks or off-screen work on unpacking graphics, etc. As long as the threads are there, it doesn't much matter where they are. Given the improvement on ST performance that Strix has though, there's not going to be much that suffers from running on Strix over Hawk.
Back in the day when iPhone had a $200 BOM and retailed for $800 that was considered a handsome margin. Somehow today a $70 BOM with a $700 retail is a company barely scraping by.Please guys, don't act like the materials are the only costs that a company has. As if they don't have to pay thousands of employees. And marketing costs. And electricity. And shipping costs. And so forth and so on.
It seems like AMD is doubling down on pushing the 12-core SKU this time. The 9900X is seen much more often in the leaks, and in their slides from the AMD Tech Day they are placing the 14900K against the 9900X, not the 9950X.Because no one buys the 12 cores Zen.
It's an unquestionable position, irrespective of conflicting data points. Not knowing the accounting processes at AMD, to say division ? is losing money is at best, unwise. Where they assign costs is crucial.If we forget about other markets for a second, Ian Cutress did a BOM analysis for the 7950X when it released in 2022, estimating total BOM to be around $70. For a $700 MSRP product. I have no idea how a 90% profit margin could be considered "very crappy profitability".
Based on his breakdown, the single CCD chips would be ~$45-50 BOM at the time.