It hasn't been unheard of for some webshops to assume a price and start taking pre-orders before a hard price and release date is available. I don't think this means anything for either.Sorry, I meant for preorder at certain stores:
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https://geizhals.eu/amd-ryzen-9-9900x-100-100000662wof-a3202550.html
Charlie's got an article:
AMD’s Zen 5 is a missed opportunity in messaging
Last week AMD did their ‘Tech Day’ and it was anything but.www.semiaccurate.com
I think that's good advice.Charlie said:history says wait for the half step when the power functions are debugged
Charlie's got an article:
AMD’s Zen 5 is a missed opportunity in messaging
Last week AMD did their ‘Tech Day’ and it was anything but.www.semiaccurate.com
In CB r23, that QS at 253W gets beaten by 9950X ES between 160 to 200W.How do these preliminary scores compare with Zen 5?
It’s a tough comparison. If we’re considering a water-cooled 9950x with PBO+CO, vs Intel 285K stock; it isn’t that much of a surprise to beat it.In CB r23, that QS at 253W gets beaten by 9950X ES between 160 to 200W.
Pat better get to church fast and pray for a miracle.
Pat probably has too much of a chip on his shoulder to do that....In CB r23, that QS at 253W gets beaten by 9950X ES between 160 to 200W.
Pat better get to church fast and pray for a miracle.
Here is an article where Mike Clark apparently confirms the differing AVX-512 implementation of Strix's cores (small and big cores).Some info from AMD, lot of slides, among others this one which state configurable 256/512b datapath in Zen 5 :
It’s a tough comparison. If we’re considering a water-cooled 9950x with PBO+CO, vs Intel 285K stock; it isn’t that much of a surprise to beat it.
Let’s see like for like, and then the scores will speak for themselves. I think it’ll be very close for pure performance.
Newsflash: it isn't.It doesn't look to me like 15% to 25% IPC uplift MLID has been talking about:
What do you mean with regression? It's not slower, right? Or do you think about performance per area or something?Newsflash: it isn't.
LNC is 14% off the RWC which is a real, real bad baseline (itsa regression off RPC despite the L2 bump).
They mean that Lion Cove (LNC) is advertised as being +14% IPC over Redwood Cove (RWC), which is used in Meteor Lake (MTL). However, RWC is slower than Raptor Cove (RPC), which is used in Raptor Lake. Desktop Arrow Lake (ARL-S) uses LNC P-cores and is the successor to Raptor Lake. Therefore, the expected IPC uplift from Raptor Lake's P-cores to Arrow Lake's P-cores is likely less than 14% IPC uplift.What do you mean with regression? It's not slower, right? Or do you think about performance per area or something?
Newsflash: it isn't.
LNC is 14% off the RWC which is a real, real bad baseline (itsa regression off RPC despite the L2 bump).
Yeah, according to Zen Daddy Mike Clark, they put the temperature sensor closer to the hotspots so it's more accurate in Zen 5. In Zen 4, the temp sensor has a larger built-in margin to account for the lower accuracy in its placement, meaning the sensor would artificially report a higher temp because it wasn't exactly in the ideal spot (for safety reasons). If the placement is more ideal, that artificial buffer can be reduced and in theory the chip can push itself harder.So back to Zen 5. Apparently 90C on Zen 5 does not equal 90C on Zen 4 due to different thermocouple/RTD placement.
No real new information in that article.
Charlie just copied AMD's slides and is complaining and whining excessively, which is of course his style of writing and sometimes quite nice to read.
Nevertheless he should have been reporting and commenting on the new features of zen 5. Regardless how bad AMD's tech day supposedly was.
Otherwise why write an article in the first place ?
AMD says that the 9950x scores ~42k in Cinebench r23 MT at stock. That's the number I would go with, though the power consumption isn't known. It can use up to 230W, but there's reason to believe it doesn't actually use quite that much.
It will be. The Raptor Lake baseline is dwindling down every minute. /sIt doesn't look to me like 15% to 25% IPC uplift MLID has been talking about:
Still a weird comparison and outcome since gamers won't look at the 9900X, they'll look at the 9700X which should perform better in games than the 9900X due to 8+0 layout and no dual CCD penalty.Italian guy was running 1800uclk 3600mclk 2400fclk beta gigabyte bios limitations (prolly not stable).
So we can see maybe 5-7% gains with proper tunned vs his results.
Why should he report on the new features of Zen 5? You can get that everywhere on the internet, that's not what people come to Charlie's site for. What you want is for them to release that information, give people like him time to digest it and come up with a list of questions, then provide enough Q&A time for him and other members of the press to ask and have answered their questions about the information.
It sounds like they barely allotted any time for Q&A, and to the extent they did they turned every question into something they could answer with "AI". Obviously they were told to do so by some marketing idiot up on high.
That's the kind of thing you read him for - to understand what is happening behind the scenes at a company. So why does AMD appear unwilling to talk about Zen 5 other than in context of "AI AI AI"?
Pointing out the Pluton thing is good too, as AMD apparently LEFT IT OUT OF THE BLOCK DIAGRAM until Charlie (and perhaps others, to be fair) called them out on it. Why do they want to hide that? Could it be because they know while it is something Microsoft wants, it is not something any of their customers want?
This 42k score is not stock, that s at some fixed frequency or something like this, if you look at the alleged stock 7 Zip score it s only 3.8%faster than a 7950X, wich is dubbious.