Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[CakeMonster]

I've read several places that 9950X supply was expected to be less than the rest.

 

[Det0x]

The only thing i will say is that i dont use LN2 nor dry ice, runs were done with my large loop watercooling.
GB runs were done with PBO CO + baseclock (not allcore static OC)

 

[cebri1]

So paper lunch? Why not delay it another 15-30 days? After all the PR damage is already done after the recall , and if then there are not nearly enough units available for a launch… what’s the point?

 

[FlameTail]

Strix Point is on schedule right?

 

[stayfrosty]

Strix Point is on schedule right?

yup, you can actually buy them in many countries now. for example here in switzerland the following shop has many asus models in stock since yesterday:

https://www.brack.ch/asus-vivobook-s-15-oled-m5506wa-ma012w-1682611

(this specific model has 26 in stock right now and 104 more arriving in 10 days)

 

[Josh128]

The only thing i will say is that i dont use LN2 nor dry ice, runs were done with my large loop watercooling.
GB runs were done with PBO CO + baseclock (not allcore static OC)

Lol, the real burning question is, how'd you get your grubby mitts on one?

 

[StefanR5R]

Some Bits from Computerbase:

-nobody had review samples, so nobody can tell if the SKUs are really taken back and switched out
-AMD knew about a problem for weeks, so they put 31th as release and tried fixing it until then.
-AMD specifically told the press on AMD Tech day over 2 weeks ago that supply of Ryzen 9 SKUs will be (extremely) tight.
-with these info, Computerbase Editor definitely thinks what AMD said to the Verge isn't the truth.
-However, he doesn't know the real reason

Overall it makes me think my Yield Theory gets increasingly more likely. There must be something different for the big SKUs and the only real difference is higher boost clocks.

Source is forum posts or what?

Yes, the source is a forum post.
https://www.computerbase.de/forum/t...ugust-verschoben.2204061/page-8#post-29618706
(post #149 by Volker, in German)

Edit, plus
https://www.computerbase.de/forum/t...ugust-verschoben.2204061/page-9#post-29618818
(post #169 by Volker)

Edit 2,
https://www.computerbase.de/forum/t...gust-verschoben.2204061/page-11#post-29619173
(post #218 by Volker)
gustlegga: "When did you receive notice to return the review kit?"
Volker: "We did not have a review kit! Just like everybody else did not have any."

 

[leoneazzurro]

The fact the delay is only two weeks and affects desktop parts only makes me believe there is no hardware problem. Especially with the heat spreader that is one of the easiest things to keep under check (and it is a proven process, especially on desktop parts).
My guess is that either.

- AMD wants to get the BIOSes for older mainboards as polished as they can before the launch. Especially when Intel is releasing a microcode update that might reduce a little their performance, ths making the 9xxx series look better.
- There was a problem with the production testing equipment or testing conditions for the desktop parts that was detected late, that could have caused some unstable CPUs to be passed as good ones. Testing is not an easy task, especially on complex and power hungry devices as CPUs are nowadays.

 

[gaav87]

The only thing i will say is that i dont use LN2 nor dry ice, runs were done with my large loop watercooling.
GB runs were done with PBO CO + baseclock (not allcore static OC)

Is 3600uclk and 2400fclk possible or is the italian guy delusional ?

 

[Det0x]

Review embargo dates are out, 1 day before release

9600X + 9700X @ august 7
9900X + 9950X @ august 14


Taken from this HUB video

 

[CakeMonster]

You'd think they'd want the higher end parts to get media coverage first. But they may not have a choice in this situation.

 

[igor_kavinski]

+ another score propably of him https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/7045730

Doubt it. Why would Det0x use older Geekbench? And why balanced power plan?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Lol, the real burning question is, how'd you get your grubby mitts on one?

Bribed someone with BIG watermelons

 

[Hans de Vries]

5.95 GHz 9950X in Geekbench 3, 4, 5 and 6:

domdtxdissar's Profile - Geekbench

 

[poke01]

5.95 GHz 9950X in Geekbench 3, 4, 5 and 6:

domdtxdissar's Profile - Geekbench

5.95GHz stock would have been possible with N3E thanks to FinFlex. Sucks that desktop won’t get 3nm anytime soon.

 

[Josh128]

5.95GHz stock would have been possible with N3E thanks to FinFlex. Sucks that desktop won’t get 3nm anytime soon.

Maybe, maybe not. Surface area, power density, and core architecture have a lot to do with it as well. Considering Intels current plight, I think all companies are now very wary of chasing frequencies >2.5x that of microwave ovens.

 

[Josh128]

5.95 GHz 9950X in Geekbench 3, 4, 5 and 6:

domdtxdissar's Profile - Geekbench

That GB4 score is impressive to me. GB4 is the one I cut my Ryzen benchmarking teeth on. I remember being impressed when 2700X was just able to crack 5000 ST (still ~15% behind 8700K at the time).

 

[Josh128]

Review embargo dates are out, 1 day before release

9600X + 9700X @ august 7
9900X + 9950X @ august 14
View attachment 103800

Taken from this HUB video

Terrible. I was at least hoping they'd allow reviews to come out on the 31st. This must be more than a packaging issue. Theres zero reason some words and numbers printed on a cardboard box or IHS of the CPU should cause such review delays.

 

[Goop_reformed]

Terrible. I was at least hoping they'd allow reviews to come out on the 31st. This must be more than a packaging issue. Theres zero reason some words and numbers printed on a cardboard box or IHS of the CPU should cause such review delays.

It seems MLID is right about the bugs after all.

 

[igor_kavinski]

The fact the delay is only two weeks and affects desktop parts only makes me believe there is no hardware problem.

It could be a very simple oversight due to lack of communication between departments.

Lisa Su (memo to TSMC contact): Ship the review samples ASAP to us!

Shipment arrives and it is addressed to Lisa Su and contents written as "TOP SECRET review samples!". There is only a single "new" guy in the Inbound Logistics department that is supposed to take deliveries from TSMC. Everyone else is out for some important meeting. Wanting to impress Lisa Su, he sends it out to marketing because obviously they will send these samples to publications, right??? Marketing receives these and the single employee there hurriedly sends them out, without noticing that there is no QA inspection stamps on the review sample boxes (everyone is out partying too coz that's what marketing does most of the time).

QA team reads the news that reviewers have samples in hand.

Their head sends memo to Lisa Su: "Seems we were bypassed. Did you give the authorization for that?".

Lisa Su reads the memo and goes: "WTF??? Those morons!" and urgently calls everyone into a meeting where it's decided that the risk of bad publicity is just too high and

Lisa Su orders the recall of the review samples.

The Inbound Logistics Head has a really bad day.

 

[MS_AT]

Terrible. I was at least hoping they'd allow reviews to come out on the 31st. This must be more than a packaging issue. Theres zero reason some words and numbers printed on a cardboard box or IHS of the CPU should cause such review delays.

Reviewers need the time to test the cpu, many said it would not be possible to make it in time for 31st if they got CPUs now.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Sucks that desktop won’t get 3nm anytime soon.

Blame Apple. They didn't leave enough available capacity for anyone else. And they drove the N3 prices up too!

 

[Timmah!]

According to AMD, it is not a design or packaging issue, but that they discovered that not all chips that were sent out went through QA, so they are sending out new chips to make sure they were properly tested before being sold/reviewed. See post #16,557.

Edit: If it was an actual issue with the chips, there's no chance they would be able to get them fixed and new ones out the door within a week or two. It would have to be either the QA testing miss as explained, or something wrong with the microcode/firmware that they could fix and push out quickly.

Its clearly lack of cores issue. Theyre gluing in more as we speak

 

[igor_kavinski]

Reviewers need the time to test the cpu, many said it would not be possible to make it in time for 31st if they got CPUs now.

Excuses. They could choose some important benchmarks and do a quick "preview". And they could certainly complete all the benchmarking for the comparison/competing CPUs that they have in hand already.

 

[CouncilorIrissa]

Too much doom and drama over a relatively short delay.