Nah, this is on AMD. AMD chose to pay for N3E only for Eypc as that’s where the $ is. Qualcomm and MediaTek also get N3E this year. N3E is actually cheaper than N3B.Blame Apple. They didn't leave enough available capacity for anyone else. And they drove the N3 prices up too!
Yes because then most "cheap" AMD users wouldn't want the extra cost being passed onto them. And the cost got driven high due to Apple.AMD chose to pay for N3E only for Eypc as that’s where the $ is.
Your capacity for patience is admirableToo much doom and drama over a relatively short delay.
Would have been possible with even N4X.5.95GHz stock would have been possible with N3E thanks to FinFlex. Sucks that desktop won’t get 3nm anytime soon.
True, never underestimate the most common sense topics when dealing with tech junkies.It could be a very simple oversight due to lack of communication between departments.
Lisa Su (memo to TSMC contact): Ship the review samples ASAP to us!
Shipment arrives and it is addressed to Lisa Su and contents written as "TOP SECRET review samples!". There is only a single "new" guy in the Inbound Logistics department that is supposed to take deliveries from TSMC. Everyone else is out for some important meeting. Wanting to impress Lisa Su, he sends it out to marketing because obviously they will send these samples to publications, right??? Marketing receives these and the single employee there hurriedly sends them out, without noticing that there is no QA inspection stamps on the review sample boxes (everyone is out partying too coz that's what marketing does most of the time).
QA team reads the news that reviewers have samples in hand.
Their head sends memo to Lisa Su: "Seems we were bypassed. Did you give the authorization for that?".
Lisa Su reads the memo and goes: "WTF??? Those morons!" and urgently calls everyone into a meeting where it's decided that the risk of bad publicity is just too high and
Lisa Su orders the recall of the review samples.
The Inbound Logistics Head has a really bad day.
No way they used HD library for Zen 5 cores. Isn't that limited to something like 4.5 GHz?Or even N4P, if they opted to use the HP library instead of HD.
A nice little marketing stunt from AMD I thinkTheres zero reason some words and numbers printed on a cardboard box or IHS of the CPU should cause such review delays.
I don't think so.No way they used HD library for Zen 5 cores. Isn't that limited to something like 4.5 GHz?
And AMD could skimp on quality control, to release the CPUs 2 weeks sooner, oh wait... And you mean those competing CPUs that are waiting for microcode fixes ?;PExcuses. They could choose some important benchmarks and do a quick "preview". And they could certainly complete all the benchmarking for the comparison/competing CPUs that they have in hand already.
Those don't even matter. AMD's current competition is Zen 4. Intel can get invited back when they have a flawlessly working CPU generation.And you mean those competing CPUs that are waiting for microcode fixes ?;P
AMD will have Zen 5 on N3P by late next year. That is the fail safe from Intel Arrow Lake.5.95GHz stock would have been possible with N3E thanks to FinFlex. Sucks that desktop won’t get 3nm anytime soon.
It's not as if a lot of these youtube reviews do not wait for legit reviews and create charts that are inline with the legit review numbers without ever testing the CPU's themselves. Then they release their own youtube videos that show almost identical performance numbers.Excuses. They could choose some important benchmarks and do a quick "preview". And they could certainly complete all the benchmarking for the comparison/competing CPUs that they have in hand already.
I'm pretty sure I'm younger than most in this thread, actually.Your capacity for patience is admirable
Must be a parent
Lots of early batch 7950x3d samples could do 6 ghz boost on ccd1, alas this didn't last for long and at least since march 2023 amd fixed it by replacing good quality cacheless chiplet with something like I have (reboots if fmax is raised above 5.8)5.95GHz stock would have been possible with N3E thanks to FinFlex. Sucks that desktop won’t get 3nm anytime soon.
Zen5%HW Unboxed video has info about AMD's Computex Demo system that had a low performing 9950x ES (early ES), which underperformed even vs 7950X in Cinebech... When they called it out, AMD scrambled and removed the demo systems. That was 8 weeks ago, crazy.
This brings Raja's Vega Frontier launch memories.The more I read up about this the more suspicious I become. What we know so far:
1/ Zen 5 is a new uarch, taped out early.
2/ Some reviews samples date way way back.
3/ Amd have already delayed official launch twice.
This screams bugs, bugs and more bugs. I have a feeling now they will do it once more. 3rd's time the charm.
Is that speculation?AMD will have Zen 5 on N3P by late next year. That is the fail safe from Intel Arrow Lake.
Well, I figure there are two takes one could reasonably have from what AMD said.So who wants to be guinea pig and buy a CPU from the first batch now, unless AMD discloses what the actual problem was and how well it could be fixed?
Exactly-- but my point is, if it was just a packaging issue, it wouldnt matter if some typo was on the box or the IHS of the review samples. They are saying that not only did they hold off on sending more out, they are recalling all of the ones that were sent out. They would not need to do that if the problem was errors or typos in packaging or IHS.Reviewers need the time to test the cpu, many said it would not be possible to make it in time for 31st if they got CPUs now.
So they push back reviews due to that?? Just instruct reviewers to not show photos of the typo and let them review what they have, then just focus on recalling typo SKUs and shipping corrected ones to vendors-- this didnt have to affect review times whatsoever. And still no official word on pricing. smh.
Lmao. Both to the actual issue but also the doomposters everywhere regarding a 2 week delay (lol)