Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[techjunkie123]

Got my laptop today, so far very happy with it. It's the 365/24G model from Bestbuy. Looks great, great display on it. Putting it though its paces a bit and there is only very light fan noise so that's good. Definitely some warmth on the upper part of the chassis however, where the extraction cut out is.

Ram config is 4x6 so it maintains full dual channel, not flex mode which is good.

I'd be curious to know what your impressions of battery life are.

 

[jpiniero]

Zenbook S16? I really wonder why there were no reviews today.

BB says release date is tomorrow.

Edit: $1400 is a lot of cheddar.

 

[Philste]

Edit: $1400 is a lot of cheddar.

Zenbook S16 prices in Germany are just a big nope, 1699€ for the 365 24GB Model and 2099€ for the 370 32GB Model.

 

[igor_kavinski]

AI is only good for one thing

That meme is on the verge of NSFW.

Mayday! Mayday! Big Jugs sighted! Call in the reinforcements!

 

[Geddagod]

BB says release date is tomorrow.

Edit: $1400 is a lot of cheddar.

are we expecting the review embargo on Zen 5 laptops to end tmmrw?

 

[jpiniero]

are we expecting the review embargo on Zen 5 laptops to end tmmrw?

It'd pretty much have to given that they are available for sale then.

There is however no guarantee that AMD/Asus? sent out review units.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Zenbook S16? I really wonder why there were no reviews today.

Yeah that's the model. I was surprised it arrived today also, it was supposed to come tomorrow.

 

[StinkyPinky]

I'd be curious to know what your impressions of battery life are.

I haven't had much of a chance to look at it sadly. Just a quick run through its paces and then a bunch of updates (including a bios update)

 

[igor_kavinski]

Got my laptop today, so far very happy with it. It's the 365/24G model from Bestbuy.

Benchmark requests!

GB6.3 with and without SMT. GB5 if you want to.

MaxxMem2 with/without SMT.

Rapydmark on High Setting with/without SMT.

Unigine Superposition 1080p Extreme.

Unigine Superposition 1080p Low with/without SMT.

SilverBench online Normal and Extreme with/without SMT.

You need to do these. These are Igor's recommended validation tests. Upon posting your scores, I shall grant you the official Igor_Kavinski certified logo.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I haven't had much of a chance to look at it sadly. Just a quick run through its paces and then a bunch of updates (including a bios update)

Why you no call in sick and take the day off?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Yottabit was pretty clearly joking............

Weird. I thought it made sense with so many screwy conditionals.

 

[SarahKerrigan]

Weird. I thought it made sense with so many screwy conditionals.

It didn't.

"Use more nested if's" is... not an optimization technique. It was funny.

 

[yottabit]

Weird. I thought it made sense with so many screwy conditionals.

It was a joke but it wasn’t meant to be (at least completely) at your expense. No one would ever intentionally add branchiness to their code to “optimize”, but branchy code is (at least on paper) where I’d expect to see the greatest uplift from the new Zen5 frontend.

So if you wanted to purpose build an app to exaggerate the uplift of Zen5 over the competition, maybe branchy code could do that. While still being net slower than a comparable optimized program.

This is why I’m a bit taken aback by the “you’ll need to see code compiled for Zen5 to really take advantage of it” because looking at the architecture on paper, I would have expected the opposite - a CPU that excels on unoptimized, branchy code. At least if the new front end lived up to the hype.

Beyond taking advantage of AVX instructions nothing jumps out as particularly obvious ways to me as ways to optimize for Zen5. But I’m also only a hobbyist at programming

 

[Josh128]

Yeah that's the model. I was surprised it arrived today also, it was supposed to come tomorrow.

Stinky Pinky! Can you do 4GHz R23 ST run, please?

 

[StinkyPinky]

Geekbench is as expected, I'll try and post a few tests today

ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ASUS Zenbook S 16 UM5606WA_UM5606WA - Geekbench

Benchmark results for an ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ASUS Zenbook S 16 UM5606WA_UM5606WA with an AMD Ryzen AI 9 365 w/ Radeon 880M processor.

browser.geekbench.com

 

[Philste]

So clock reporting is still flawed with ZEN5...

 

[StinkyPinky]

Silverbench P60424 Normal , X5194 Extreme
Cinebench 14242 Multicore singlepass
Cinebench 1939 Singecore singlepass

Should be noted that this is a *very* thin laptop, it's not designed to eek out every percent of performance.

 

[Markfw]

Silverbench P60424 Normal , X5194 Extreme
Cinebench 14242 Multicore singlepass

what model do you have for that score ? And its an ES, right ?

 

[igor_kavinski]

a CPU that excels on unoptimized, branchy code.

Instead of real 8-wide, they split it up into two 4-wides. I think they did it that way for SMT uplift so that the virtual core can boost some other branchy thread in parallel. An optimization could be that you deliberately write code that tries to stay within L2 cache and uses thread synchronization between the real and virtual core to eat its way through gobs of data.

 

[igor_kavinski]

what model do you have for that score ? And its an ES, right ?

No. It's a release laptop. An ASUS OLED with 50 TOPS AI power.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Silverbench P60424 Normal , X5194 Extreme
Cinebench 14242 Multicore singlepass
Cinebench 1939 Singecore singlepass

These scores are on battery with balanced profile?

 

[StinkyPinky]

what model do you have for that score ? And its an ES, right ?

No, this is the Zenbook S from Bestbuy.

It's the Ryzen 9 365.

 

[StinkyPinky]

These scores are on battery with balanced profile?

Mains power with balanced profile.

Let me try battery

Edit: 13679 with battery

This laptop is crazy quiet, I feel like some performance is left on the table. I may poke around in the bios in a minute.

 

[Josh128]

Thanks for these. Is it even possible to lock frequency for an R23 run? Not sure what options are available for mobile. 4 GHz would be perfect to compare points/GHz to other chips.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Silverbench P60424 Normal , X5194 Extreme

A comparison point:

Core i5-12500 with the latest Dell BIOS update and 12 threads DDR4-3200 dual channel CL22 scores: P52719 and X4867. You carryin' around faster than desktop power in your hands in a slim form factor!