Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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eek2121

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Actually according to your line in the "Granite Ridge speculation" spreadsheet those troublemakers are still somehow about as close you.

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Jayzen5%5.1The hype train has derailed
Kepler_L2 overstated Zen 5 Granite Ridge performance by 1.21x
And AMD's 1.16x estimate exceeds your Zen 5 Granite Ridge estimate by 1.23x.
It's possible you may be the only negative person who is as far off as Kepler_L2 et al.

You should attack the post, not the poster, and a word to the wise, wait for Zen 5 EPYC before jumping to conclusions.

Zen 5 also is dramatically faster in some benchmarks. The one blender benchmark I saw was 52% faster, for example.

AMD appears to have held some stuff back for future chips. Probably to stay ahead of Intel. (referring to AMD’s somewhat baffling design decisions)

Also, Zen 5 is looking to be extremely power efficient. If it were on N3E it would possibly have the best perf/watt out there.
 

Josh128

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Also, Zen 5 is looking to be extremely power efficient. If it were on N3E it would possibly have the best perf/watt out there.
Im not sure which variant of N3 its on, but Turin / Zen 5c 192 core is supposedly 16 core CCX/CCD on N3. It shouldnt be a matter of "possibly", it should just be a matter of "how much", at least in the X86 world.
 

tsamolotoff

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Someone tried to delid a Zen 5 and took off the top half the IOD in doing so
Same thing happened with the normie delid attempts with Z4, then the chad dental floss+iron delidding method was discovered, so probably nothing new
Looks like some kind of translucent epoxy resin glue.
Proper OCers just use $1 translucent woman nail polish from the nearest Auchan store, not some overpriced compound for professionals!
 

Josh128

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Thread is completely dead. Any chance it might perk up tomorrow? lol

Wonder if reviews will show the official pricing? Thats IF reviews actually are published tomorrow. At this point, who actually knows? Objectively, IMO, the optics of this launch are a bonafide train wreck and I cant believe anyone would disagree with that. The actual products could still save it though. Anybody know the time reviews might publish? 9 or 10AM Eastern US time, possibly?
 

Markfw

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Thread is completely dead. Any chance it might perk up tomorrow? lol

Wonder if reviews will show the official pricing? Thats IF reviews actually are published tomorrow. At this point, who actually knows? Objectively, IMO, the optics of this launch are a bonafide train wreck and I cant believe anyone would disagree with that. The actual products could still save it though. Anybody know the time reviews might publish? 9 or 10AM Eastern US time, possibly?
Usually 9 am pacific time
 
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Objectively, IMO, the optics of this launch are a bonafide train wreck and I cant believe anyone would disagree with that.
I think we should be grateful. With the main x86 company looking to go down in flames at any moment (only Intel insiders know how bad things really are), it's a blessing that AMD has a decent CPU arch for us in 2024. I don't know how long Intel can go on without major cash infusion. I might wake up tomorrow and read news that Jensen has offered to buy 51% stake in Intel in an all stock deal that will see Pat stepping down as CEO and Jensen as the new CEO of the new evil empire, killing two birds with one stone (x86 license and associated patents and end of Intel's GPU threat).

Even if Zen 5 is 5% average IPC uplift, it's 5% more than zero which is what Intel has at the moment with NO product to offer.
 

poke01

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Yup, speaking of power efficiency, Zen 5 mobile is just as good as Snapdragon X, but performs better:
Also, Zen 5 is looking to be extremely power efficient. If it were on N3E it would possibly have the best perf/watt out there.
Idk, looking at Just Josh’s chart Apple has a clear lead in perf/w and that’s on N3B but N3B and N4P isn’t that big of a node difference in efficiency. But that 12 core M3 is really expensive so Apple loses in perf/$.

I’m quite curious about the N3E Turin-D though.
 

exquisitechar

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@adroc_thurston only off by $350 on the 9950X price.
Well, that goes without saying. $999 was based on his idea of Zen5's performance and he was off by 20% or more there. If Zen5 was actually great, I have no doubt that AMD would have milked early adopters for all they're worth.
Of course, we always want even cheaper prices, but not bad considering Intel has nothing new to launch for a few months at least
They still need to entice buyers with something, considering the lackluster performance.
 
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