Hwupgrade review found a substantial clock difference between the 7700X-7600X and 9700X-9600X, because the TDP holds back the performance for these SKUs. In Cinebench they foung 500MHz all-core clock difference between the 7700X and 9700X, with the 7700X consuming 40W more, and the 9700X was slightly faster.AT SPECint showing 13% improvement overall. The 9700x has a slight clock speed advantage according to boost specs, but without knowing actual running clock speeds, we can't calculate IPC. It is 9% improvement if we assume spec boost speeds, but With Zen 4/5, that's not a safe assumption (could be higher than spec). SPECfp showed significantly higher improvement at 26% overall. For consumer purposes, too many resources were used to improve FP versus INT. For some server customers, maybe AI (?), this will be really good.
Expectation: Zen 35%
Reality: Zen 5%
THE HARSH REALITY: Zen -5%
BPU is great if you look at the tests done by Huang.Reality: Zen 10% at greater efficiency.
Harsh Reality: Lowered TDP requires PBO on to see performance improvements in many cases.
The browser benchmarks from Phoronix are so interesting. I don't know what sets these tests a part so much. From what I understand, browsing can be very branchy and hard to predict, but I don't know if that holds true for these scripted benchmarks. Maybe the improved branch predictor and dual decoder front end shines here?
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Hwupgrade review found a substantial clock difference between the 7700X-7600X and 9700X-9600X, because the TDP holds back the performance for these SKUs. In Cinebench they foung 500MHz all-core clock difference between the 7700X and 9700X, with the 7700X consuming 40W more, and the 9700X was slightly faster.
Stupid comment. Bulldozer on par with the predecessor but it had less IPC and consumed much more. Zen5 is a slight improvement but it has better IPC and consumes noticeably LESS.This was exactly the same case with Bulldozer.
Z6 is by the Z4/Z2 team, they know how to iterate on an existing core, just hope they get a nice bump in area to play with.The worst part is that we’ll be stuck with this total dud of a core for years and Zen6 will only bring iterative improvements over it. At least improvements to the uncore will be something to look forward to.
BPU is great if you look at the tests done by Huang.
It's something else that holds everything back.
I was right! I guess this is an apt demonstration of the phenomenon "hyped to the death". First try was done with N31, but at least there were some performance gains, although at big W cost, lul.Zen-5% confirmed
4/3 were the same team, 5 is from the 1/2 teamZ6 is by the Z4/Z2 team
I'll stick my head out and say the primary bottleneck once things settle is the ROB being the smallest in class.BPU is great if you look at the tests done by Huang.
It's something else that holds everything back.
I was right! I guess this is an apt demonstration of the phenomenon "hyped to the death". First try was done with N31, but at least there were some performance gains, although at big W cost, lul.
Of course, it's a joke, just a reference how unmet expectations form opinions. Same people that hyped the current gen GPUs and CPUs fomented unrealistic expectations of huge gains that ultimately soured the mood among reviewers and potential buyers alike.No one is showing -5%. Why are a couple of posters trying to gaslight, lol.
Perfect laptop cores.Yeah, this is a weird release. I guess these would make good office/productivity chips with lower power consumption, but for gaming, they suck!!!
I think the TSVs are in different locations so it is probably not the exact same cache die. Whether it ends up with more capacity or not is an interesting question.What I'm really wondering is if the X3D cache uplift will be as much as the previous generation, it might be somewhat less if its the exact same cache.
Nope, the high FP throughput is a bit wasted. They had to do another variant of it because of that. Not a great laptop core IMO if you have to do special work.Perfect laptop cores.
Au contraire, it should clock higher than previous versions and I think the core will like the extra L3 a lot.Overall bodes well for Turin but not so for 9800X3D.