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I was looking at this too. Since its in this thread I wanted to post the further comparison of its competition. And ask a question:
I don't cherry pick reviews looking for results I want. HWUB is my goto. Especially not interested in some esoteric Linux results. Newsflash: Linux is not "EVERTHTHING else".
Why? Most likely nearly 2025 for ARL, which probably will at best (for Intel) trade blows with Zen 5. Most of 2026 will be ARL refresh, which probably wont bring much to the table. Maybe 2027 will bring Nova Lake, which is rumored to be a significant step up, but the way Intel is executing now, I would not count on it either being on time or delivering the expected performance uplift. So if Zen 6 is late 2026 or early 2027, they should be fine.
I am talking on desktop. Mobile, I have no idea. I am not interested in that area, and the line-ups from both manufacturers are seriously confusing. So I dont know how things will stack up there, although AMD has a serious power advantage now, so even if Intel makes big gains in efficiency, I think AMD should also be fine in mobile.
Someone needs to test with older games. Modern games stream a lot of data in and out of RAM and since there isn't much improvement on that front, Zen 5 might be extremely memory bound in games. One could test, for example, how going from single channel to dual channel affects a game's fps on both 7700X and 9700X. If the 9700X sees a bigger improvement with dual channel, then it clearly craves more membw and that would bode well for the gaming performance of the 9800X3D.It's very fast in branchy web stuff, but somehow not in video games?
Computerbase has 5.5Ghz Zen 5 at 14% better than 7950x @ 5.7Ghz. At least in their ST mix (new suite), Zen 5 shows >16% IPC increase.
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Yeah they should maybe just have named them 9700 and 9600 without the X.Lets just say there is more left in the tank
His latency numbers seem pretty medicore
But i agree that you can get much more out of Zen5 with a overclock, compared to Zen4.
These cpus are powerlimited at default settings
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Well the real world workloads are also mostly a mix of both worlds, so no surprise there.It's a mix of INT and FP tests. If you take SPEC 1T results you get basically the same IPC increase if you average the INT and FP results together.
Probably cooling, the M4 is an a 5.1mm tablet. I doubt it maintained its frequency.I was looking at this too. Since its in this thread I wanted to post the further comparison of its competition. And ask a question:
Anyone have ideas why the i9-14900K values are the same, but the M4 and M3 FP values (but not INT) values are different?
I was thinking it could be due to the flags/compilers chosen, but the i9 would be different too then. The clock speeds are the same too.
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Zen6 is 2027
If it takes until 2027 to get a 10% improvement over Zen 5 then I wager they'll lose every single market to bog-standard licensable commodity ARM cores.Be quiet now failed leaker.
It's of course possible that Zen 6 will development will have problems and thus arrive in 2027.
But it's not really possible that AMD is planning to release Zen 6 in 2027.
I see where the difference in the M3 is actually from the 2nd image (had to look at the video on the HX 370).Probably cooling, the M4 is an a 5.1mm tablet. I doubt it maintained its frequency.
Well, if it needs a mobo change due to DDR6, 2027 might be right. There might be a Zen 5.5 in 2026 that has some features of Zen 6 but uses DDR5.But it's not really possible that AMD is planning to release Zen 6 in 2027.
If they take that much to time to get to Zen 6, AMD might as well tape out a stock ARM design and ramp down their x86 IP development, might save some big bucksThere is no way Zen6 is 2027. It’s going to be 2026 at worst late 2026.
Daylight saving time?Italian guy was better, he got at least few days of fame, this one will have only an hour
Sounds very unlikely to me with DDR6 so soon, that's why I'd hope AMD has a plan for DDR5 platform with new IO die and 3N in 2026.Well, if it needs a mobo change due to DDR6, 2027 might be right. There might be a Zen 5.5 in 2026 that has some features of Zen 6 but uses DDR5.
If we assume that Intel jumps on the DDR6 bandwagon in 2026, AMD may wait one year for the DDR6 prices to come down.
First Im not cherry picking anything, thats a (bad) assumption.When you have to cherry pick Tom's, you know you are grasping at straws.
Most of the reputable sites are showing about 5% difference in both Windows games and productivity.
I think most would be ok with this if they add a lower end X3D, like a 9600X3D or 9700X3D, ala 5000 series.It's almost like AMD has decided the non-3D is for productivity and the 3D is for gaming.....
I would prefer it if they called it something like 963D or 96X3D. The 00 is superfluous for these single CCD parts since they never released any xx50 single CCD part.I think most would be ok with this if they add a lower end X3D, like a 9600X3D or 9700X3D, ala 5000 series.
Those two are not the primary sources in Germany. The swing towards higher efficiency and lower temperatures is reflected much more positive over here where electricity costs are much more relevant for buyers. The fix for all those "too hot" posts was usually "use eco mode".It'd matter if it provided tangible benefit in performance, but most people will just open their faviourite tech-youtuber (GN or HU),
Yep, even lower there. I suppose LTT was using an AIO and not an air cooler.Crazy lower numbers, from LTT Youtube test.
But they areBut it's not really possible that AMD is planning to release Zen 6 in 2027.