I think it'll do you good to act your age and actually think before you comment, because otherwise one would think that you have the attention-span of twenty-year-olds who consume content on TikTok:The only one I see, where the Bergamo CPU wipe the floor with it ? let alone Turin
So this is really a cool result. This is one of the first tests that we started breaking up into multiple instances. The reason for that is that there are a few spots where we get the single thread points that just stall large processors, where you get sub 1% utilization. Moving to 4x 36 thread instances per CPU for 8x 36 thread instances per system, we saw a massive jump in performance.
When we discuss how benchmarking a single application on entire cloud native processors feels a bit wrong, this is a great example of why. If you are lift-and-shifting workloads from lower core count servers, then this is more like how they would run on the cloud-native processors. It is strange, but they perform better as work gets distributed and single-threaded moments do not induce sub 1% utilization.
Regardless of your comment, it loses badly.I think it'll do you good to act your age and actually think before you comment, because otherwise one would think that you have the attention-span of twenty-year-olds who consume content on TikTok:
Have you seen the Sierra Forest performance @ servethehome?
Browser benchmarks aren't bad though. Or 1T Geekbench (somewhat under Apple M4, above everything else). Or single-thread performance in apps (as opposed to games). Which should be standard workloads for consumer CPU. Zen 5 just doesn't look that cool due to having the disadvantage of not being able to rely on any clock gains since that lunch was eaten by Zen 4 generation. But the absolute performance is on the top.I am disappointed and surprised at how much AMD stopped giving a dang about INT performance and somehow decided to go all in on what is objectively extreme FP/SIMD preference.
Zen 5 is very interesting and a massive improvement in a lot of special, mostly server/enterprise oriented cases, and kind of a big "BUT WHY?" for almost all standard programs and workloads that you'd expect out of a basic consumer CPU.
Yes I just picked up on one, it seems...interesting. Wonder if we could have some sort of direct Chromium/Firefox universal test suite. I am slightly distrustful of the "web browsing test suite" benchmarks, the numbers always come off as not equal to how I feel when I'm clicking around links on the web.Browser benchmarks aren't bad though. Or 1T Geekbench (somewhat under Apple M4, above everything else). Or single-thread performance in apps (as opposed to games). Which should be standard workloads for consumer CPU. Zen 5 just doesn't look that cool due to having the disadvantage of not being able to rely on any clock gains since that lunch was eaten by Zen 4 generation. But the absolute performance is on the top.
the problem with ZEN5 is that’s it’s not balanced. It’s too much server leaning other than that it’s a good core. It’s just not balanced like Zen should be.Browser benchmarks aren't bad though. Or 1T Geekbench (somewhat under Apple M4, above everything else). Or single-thread performance in apps (as opposed to games). Which should be standard workloads for consumer CPU. Zen 5 just doesn't look that cool due to having the disadvantage of not being able to rely on any clock gains since that lunch was eaten by Zen 4 generation. But the absolute performance is on the top.
Note that it's more SIMD than floating-point. AVX-512 can work with both floating-point data (HPC usage) and with integer data types - which would be something multimedia code like x264, x265, other encoders, or video and image processing programs would use. Also it's currently used for AI inferencing (VNNI).Frankly, I think my only real complaint is that the abuse of FP over INT's general necessity feels like an absurd choice. I can guess why, but it is absurd anyway. It's opening a wide open space for ARM to sit itself pretty in client chips, while server gets courted to an almost obscene degree. We had balance, we now have Google's needs outweighing the general consumer's needs, and I would hope that Z6 fixes that, but...fat chance.
I commented elsewhere in this thread. But not only does it have superior effifiency, but having double the avx-512 performance is big for some people. Like me. I think its balanced.the problem with ZEN5 is that’s it’s not balanced. It’s too much server leaning other than that it’s a good core. It’s just not balanced like Zen should be.
Having no AMX is big for some people. Like me. I thing its unbalanced.I commented elsewhere in this thread. But not only does it have superior effifiency, but having double the avx-512 performance is big for some people. Like me. I think its balanced.
GEMM spam is for accelerators.Having no AMX is big for some people. Like me. I thing its unbalanced.
Therefore I look forward to Intel server offerings. We have plenty of time till 2027.
They are really fortunate that nobody has an answer for it yet, but the baseline perf really needs a solid bump next gen after Z5 focused on everything but gaming, why SpecINT is so meh when there are big INT gains in branchy workloads is really interesting.Maybe AMD is simply acknowledging that the 3D vcache models are the gaming CPUs and non are primarily work focused.
Unironically great uplift in browsers, what the hell.
Also Python, PHP, Node.js interprets are super fast.
Phoronix always runs a huge number and variety of tests.
When is Turin expected to launch?
2. Everything else is better served by a product like Sierra Forest
He's not the only one that's said that's what's on AMD's roadmap...I'm afraid it might be true.
Very much hoping it's not and I have to agree with the others that said that AMD may as well give up if they take that long.
Clowns who hyped RDNA3 were simply fooled by the 2x ALUs. People counter argumenting those fantasies with "that 128b chip has no bandwidth to be 2x" or "see LLVM patches of the super-limited double-issue" were trashed.Counter point to that: Everyone was wrong about RDNA3, and that was downstream of bad information coming out of AMD. Being wrong (for the right reasons) about RDNA3 while being right about Navi4c's cancellation is not incongruous.
Being 180 degrees wrong about Zen 5 IPC, while also somehow being right about Zen 6 intentionally being targeted so late would be incongruous. Because if you have a robust source and are not engaging in inappropriate extrapolation, you shouldn't be getting only one of those right (again, for the right reasons. You could easily end up right on Zen 6 for the wrong reasons).
And if you know anything about the way management tends to set goals, or how engineers tend to make predications, and it's odd to think that you wouldn't, then 2027 Zen 6 stuff feels so out there that even if you do have a robust source this time around, even if it's coming out of AMD itself, rather than say, reading the tea leaves on some very specific server part based from some far downstream third party source, then, if I were you I'd still be extremely cautious that AMD isn't intentionally putting out bad information as part of an infosec strategy.
Like, the only way it seems it could possibly be right is if AMD has some stuff coming down the pipe in the meantime it feels is competitive, while Zen 6 is an extreme outlier in terms of performance increase. Otherwise, it's like, just about everything seems like it's theoretically doable in a two year span. So planning for the failure with a 'tick' that only comes out three years after an already significantly delayed 'tock', with Zen5c already acting as a 3nm pipecleaner... it simply strains credulity.
You can say "it aligns with DDR6," and that sounds not totally insane until you think about when Zen 5 would have been planned to come out. At that point we're be talking about an intentional four year gap. Was AMD assuming that Intel would implode in the meantime? Insanity.
Browser performance + all of the above is the main reason why Zen 5 is still on the table for me, though on the home desktop I'd have to go 3D to make my purchase worthwhile. Not going to rush at all though, will wait for Arrow Lake launch, maybe even more to let prices adjust to demand.Also Python, PHP, Node.js interprets are super fast.
If I'm honest, almost all speculation is a mix of raw invention, hearsay, wishful thinking and personal bias from limited technical understanding. Plus, you know, corpos not wanting their secrets spilled.List of all the things leakers got wrong
In a somewhat better light, you could say that Zen 2 was also very heavily productivity oriented and poor at games and such. It's not impossible that they went for that first and will re-balance later. But yes, if it's going to be 18 months to two years of Zen 5 like it was with Zen 4 (or worse?), it's definitely not a super fun prospect to have noisy arguments about "no improvements since 2022 in gaming".Kind of irony thing is that for ZEN5 they had the biggest budget to develop a new ground up architecture redesing (the same RDNA3 ) and yet the result is very unbalanced and embarrassing. It seems that since the release of the first Zen, they have been much better at this and with kind of minor changes achieved much better results ( Zen3/ RDNA2 ) Perhaps it´s just a phase and next CPU arch will make things more straight
They are no longer to be trusted. Like I said before, they wasted trust capital built in many years, for both CPUs and GPUs.I believe a degree of anger went through his fingers there.
Also, AMD's marketing is truly abysmal.