Sure, this is true. Things are slower then RAM runs out. I agree. Not what was said though and that's not really an interpretation thing, it's just not what was said, like at all.I think he means to say that RAM speed is meaningless when the required data cannot be found in RAM. That's when the perceptible delay is felt. If more RAM allows more data to be held in RAM and prevents going to disk, then in that case, it's better to have more RAM than speedier RAM. This obviously is for limited cases where the application preloads the entire working set into RAM and then works on that exclusively, without needing to go to disk until the task is finished. He does have a point that speedier RAM may not help in limited RAM capacity scenarios
Arrow late is much lower in this list. I don't think anyone is looking forward to intel products, are they? Appreciate this makes me seem like a fan of AMD but like, I doubt the current mood is pro intros next release. Apart from that I think your order is nailed on.Yeah, everyone knows to wait for:
1. Arrow Lake
2. Discounts
3. X3D
4. More discounts
(Probably in that order)
I don’t believe Zen6 is 2027 for one second.Why are people stating 2027 as fact all of a sudden? 2.5+ years would be insane and incredibly shortsighted. The competition isn't sitting still. Could they do a Zen+ on N3 where they beef up the core followed by Zen 6 where the finally handle the uncore? Or they other way around?
Underrated comment. While it could reduce motherboard costs I doubt it will, but it should. That's better for everyone.That is how sane TDP should look like. This could reduce cost of motherboards. People who wants to overclock are free to buy expensive motherboards.
It's the Radeon impact. Even if you don't want to buy Radeon you hope they're competitive so Nvidia will lower its prices and launch better versions sooner.Arrow late is much lower in this list. I don't think anyone is looking forward to intel products, are they? Appreciate this makes me seem like a fan of AMD but like, I doubt the current mood is pro intros next release. Apart from that I think your order is nailed on.
Its what i meantSure, this is true. Things are slower then RAM runs out. I agree. Not what was said though and that's not really an interpretation thing, it's just not what was said, like at all.
That figure for the 7950X is really not accurate.I see 3250-3300 single with my 7950X at stock 6000C30 EXPO in windows 11
Edit: 3100
CPU GB6.2 1T Pts Peak 1T Freq. (GHz) Pts / GHz Pts / GHz % Apple M4 3715 4.400 844 118.7% Apple M3 Pro (12C) 3138 4.056 774 108.8% Apple M2 Pro 2663 3.504 760 106.9% Apple M1 Pro 2409 3.220 748 105.2% Qualcomm X1E-80-100 2845 4.000 711 100.0% Arm Cortex-X4 (8G3 Galaxy) 2287 3.390 675 94.9% Arm Cortex-X3 (8G2 Galaxy) 2107 3.360 627 88.2% AMD 9700X 3372 5.525 610 85.8% Arm Cortex-X2 (8+G1) 1806 3.200 564 79.3% AMD HX 370 2877 5.100 564 79.3% Intel i9-14900K 3294 6.000 549 77.2% AMD 7950X 3083 5.700 541 76.0% Arm Cortex-X1 (G3X G1) 1596 2.995 533 74.9% Intel i9-12900HK 2611 5.000 522 73.4% Intel i7-1365U 2583 5.200 497 73.0% AMD 7840U 2562 5.100 502 70.6% Intel i7-1365U 2583 5.200 497 69.9% Intel i5-1255U 2313 4.700 492 69.2% AMD 6800H 2063 4.700 439 61.7%
610 (9700X) / 564 (7950X) → a good 12.8% uplift in Pts / GHz. Mobile chips are often a tad lower.
EDIT: forgot my sources! TweakTown for the 9700X; Notebookcheck for the HX 370. The rest are from Notebookcheck's review database.
EDIT2: fixed the 7950X & i9-14900K; Notebookcheck's database has higher scores already on their latest review units. And the i7-1365U & i5-1255U got mixed up somewhere. For reference, I chose the highest score NBC has; NBC has reliable methodologies and has access to GB6.2, which most don't now that GB6.3 has released, so it's more repeatable esp. for older Arm cores, even if it is a tad gimped for SME-enabled cores.
Got a duplicate for the Intel i7-1365U.That's a great point and it's my error. I usually pick the highest score, but somehow I picked lower scores for both the 7950X and i9-14900K.
Notebookcheck now has a higher score in their 7950X review database (3075 1T points), which seems much closer to yours. Updated.
Well, that does bring down the GB6.2 1T Pts / GHz uplift from the 7950X → 9700X down to 12.9%, which is not as impressive.
Ah ok, not what was said though. I too agree with things when I'm wrong and people give me an out.Its what i meant
It's the Radeon impact. Even if you don't want to buy Radeon you hope they're competitive so Nvidia will lower its prices and launch better versions sooner.
Except it also applies Intel. With AMD having higher MSRPs and holding back its X3D parts.
AMD would have been better off doing their core wars thing they promised generations ago. 8 core, 16core, 24core and 32core Zen 5 would have solved things this generation.
If the X3D chips run clock for clock with the standard Zen 5 CPU's. They would have a real winner.Frankly I don't think AMD cares about the consumer desktop market very much.
They know the gamers (myself included) will wait for X3D. Meanwhile the AI and server workloads show sometimes bananas increases in performance (and at lower power!) so they'll be selling all the Epyc chips can make. It's pretty clear based on where the increases are that this is a server first chip. We just get the scraps.
As much as I would like this, what would be the point of the regular version? In that case they should have just skipped it entirely.If the X3D chips run clock for clock with the standard Zen 5 CPU's. They would have a real winner.
If you read one of my previous posts. I said just that. No need for standard Zen 5 CPU's without X3D cache. In yet another post I pointed out that Intel said X3D cache is not groundbreaking. Intel can add L3 cache to their CPU's just as easily as AMD.As much as I would like this, what would be the point of the regular version? In that case they should have just skipped it entirely.
I may consider upgrading when the next 3D chips are out. Depends on performance over 7800X3D, and pricing as well as general issues being sorted out, or not.
I suspect that even if the 9800X3D doesn't meet the 9700X in clocks, it will still beat the 7800X3D in gaming due to arch changes, cache, and some clock increases, which would make it the the new gaming flagship CPU.
AMD is on their 3rd generation of X3D cache. The issue was heat close to the L3 big load of (96MB) v-cache. The heat issues are remedied by clock regression. This should be solved by the time they release the 9000 series of x3D CPU's. Those extra core clocks are a big deal when they are missing and a big deal when a CPU has the full boost.I may consider upgrading when the next 3D chips are out. Depends on performance over 7800X3D, and pricing as well as general issues being sorted out, or not.
I suspect that even if the 9800X3D doesn't meet the 9700X in clocks, it will still beat the 7800X3D in gaming due to arch changes, cache, and some clock increases, which would make it the the new gaming flagship CPU.
If you read one of my previous posts. I said just that. No need for standard Zen 5 CPU's without X3D cache. In yet another post I pointed out that Intel said X3D cache is not groundbreaking. Intel can add L3 cache to their CPU's just as easily as AMD.
As much as I would like this, what would be the point of the regular version? In that case they should have just skipped it entirely.
Maybe AMD should name it Game Cache so people will know to get it for gaming?