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Explain away the BG3 result there, folks!
Is lacking love of Strix Halo here. No one understand how much this SoC is important to the whole computer market.
3N with RX 6750 XT performance.
Gpus becoming part of the CPU is future and m1 ultra is here to prove how much is possible to do an Ultimate APU.
Zero attention for the STXH tablet/notebook console that Lenovo is doing.
You never get a second chance to make a good first impression ....Looking over the variance in some of the reviews, I would surmise the lower TDP (65W) is hurting some results more than others.
Why? Because it looks like some boards are putting unnecessarily high voltage on some rails (e.g. vSOC 1.25V+) which would subtract that much more power budget from the cores.
Your uncore is a decent percentage of 65W (88W PPT) while at higher power budgets the percentage becomes less significant. Seeing 9600X hit higher clocks both ST and MT versus 9700X shows the lower power budget is really hurting Zen 5 reviews and crimping scores (esp 9700X). Or leaving a lot more OC headroom (20%+ in some cases!) depending on your perspective.
I expect to see this clarified a bit next week when we see what Zen 5 will do out of the box for the higher TDP parts, especially the 9950X.
I would assume game developer as they best know the nature of their own workload. Look up Cyberpunk settings for CPU, they have very basic option for this exposed to the user. Generally there are windows api that let you outright pin workloads to specific cores [though they are generally not recommended as you might shoot yourself in the foot] or to suggest to the kernel it should keep specific threads together on specific sets of cores. It's even mentioned in publicly available resources from AMD, but I don't have them at hand and can't look them up right now.
Eh. Not sure it matters. In CPU market low enough prices and volume production can fix all problems.You never get a second chance to make a good first impression ....
This is an alternative for users aware that Process Lasso exist, and those that are aware what a process even is I guess this is minority of the people playing games on PC That's why 7950x3d was getting so many complains for, that end users did not want this complexity.Process Lasso is the utility for us 12 / 16 core and more Ryzen and ThreadRipper users; I have clear benefits pinning jank UE4 games to CPU0-CPU11 in it, and it is a known thing to do here on this forum...
This is an alternative for users aware that Process Lasso exist, and those that are aware what a process even is I guess this is minority of the people playing games on PC That's why 7950x3d was getting so many complains for, that end users did not want this complexity.
I am aware of that, and I'm competent enough to understand how to use it, but I hate 'solutions' like that and i absolutely DO NOT WANT IT. That's why I did not upgrade to the 7950X3D, and I was set on getting a 9950X this time around, since I expect AMD to do the same heterogenous cores with the 9950X3D. Currently I'm just waiting it out to maybe not get either since the 9950X would probably not offer much over my 7950X.This is an alternative for users aware that Process Lasso exist, and those that are aware what a process even is I guess this is minority of the people playing games on PC That's why 7950x3d was getting so many complains for, that end users did not want this complexity.
There's just no market for them right now. Gamers should get the 7800X3D or wait for the 9800X3D. Those who need high core counts should either get the 7950X or 9950X.Mindfactory finally sold 10 9700X. 9600X still between 5 and 10
The best info I can find from Mindafactory for Zen 4 launch was 850 units sold in 5 days after release. I can't find a per-sku breakdown, unfortunately.Mindfactory finally sold 10 9700X. 9600X still between 5 and 10
I found it:The best info I can find from Mindafactory for Zen 4 launch was 850 units sold in 5 days after release. I can't find a per-sku breakdown, unfortunately.
The worst part is that launch week sales aren't evenly spread. The majority comes during first hours because enthusiasts are waiting for the products. I can't recall it 100%, but I think ZEN4 had like 50, 200, 180, 210 at the first day and sales start at 3pm here in germany. So my guess is at Sunday evening both ZEN5 SKUs will still be below 20, 9600X maybe even below 10 depending on how many sold right now.15-20 units in >24 hours is not looking good.
It will be interesting to see how well 9900X and 9950X move, but this is shaping up to be a terrible launch with regards to volume.I found it:
7600X:70
7700X:270
7900X:230
7950X:280
Indeed 850 for All 4. And this was already considered as very bad, ZEN4 sold like 1:5 to ZEN3 for the first 3-4 months until the price cuts came. Platform was expensive and gaming only on par with 5800X3D.
The worst part is that launch week sales aren't evenly spread. The majority comes during first hours because enthusiasts are waiting for the products. I can't recall it 100%, but I think ZEN4 had like 50, 200, 180, 210 at the first day. So my guess is at Sunday evening both ZEN5 SKUs will still be below 20, 9600X maybe even below 10 depending on how many sold right now.
Idle power can depend on power plans, EXPO/JEDEC memory settings, and on the way the sensors read by HWiNFO repeat it. The sensor reading is not guaranteed to be accurate.
PC World pulled their launch day review because of this. They don't even know this is the reason.If you run anything than JEDEC (any form of xmp/amp etc), then SOC goes into 'OC mode' and it constantly consumes 20-25W depending on memory / pcie devices config (so this is like a third of overall power budget for 9600/9700x)
Or alot of people were ready to move on from DDR4 platform ....It will be interesting to see how well 9900X and 9950X move, but this is shaping up to be a terrible launch with regards to volume.
Really striking that Zen 4 sold that well despite $500 minimum motherboard, $300 minimum ram, and a brand new unstable platform sure to cause you hair loss.
Zen 5's poor sales are solely due to the pricing and product delivered.
Why do you always jump to anti-AMD conspiracy theories? I doubt he’s maliciously “tricking” the numbers to make AMD look bad.Idle power according to Hardwareluxx and according to Computerbase, so i guess that Computerbase s Volker Rißka is just tricking the numbers on this one since he display false numbers for a stock behaviour and instead used PBO value as being the stock value.