MLID logic:The most utter bull crap I heard recently from MLID.
Which is not true, it's on the same order as zen3/zen4, slightly higher due to lower clocks, i guessZen 2 had inter thread latency issues.
This is how I'm reminded that I was poor for so long, because I wait at least 3 years.I personally always wait at least 3 months before buying a new product generation.
It's not the first time that it was mentioned that Zen 5 team is the Zen 2 team.Zen 5 design created by Zen 2 team!
He’s worse than the British tabloids lolZen 5 design created by Zen 2 team!
pity it wasn´t ZEN3 team ...It's not the first time that it was mentioned that Zen 5 team is the Zen 2 team.
They're supposedly working on Zen 7. The odd-numbered cores are new designs, even ones are iterations.pity it wasn´t ZEN3 team ...
However, AMD did not do this. In our interviews with AMD’s senior staff, we have known that AMD has two independent CPU core design teams that aim to leapfrog each other as they build newer, high performance cores. Zen 1 and Zen 2 were products from the first core design team, and now Zen 3 is the product from the second design team. Naturally we then expect Zen 4 to be the next generation of Zen 3, with ‘the low hanging fruit’ taken care of.
I have to wait till June 2025 at least. Gotta see if Intel releases Bartlett Lake on LGA1700. It would be cheaper and easier for me to do a socket upgrade, instead of a platform upgrade.This is how I'm reminded that I was poor for so long, because I wait at least 3 years.
Zen 5 is certainly a brand new design with brand new bugs!They're supposedly working on Zen 7. The odd-numbered cores are new designs, even ones are iterations.
AMD Zen 3 Ryzen Deep Dive Review: 5950X, 5900X, 5800X and 5600X Tested
www.anandtech.com
This is just so impossibly stupid it hurts.MLID logic:
Zen 2 had inter thread latency issues.
Zen 5 has inter thread latency issues.
BINGO!
DING DING DING!
Zen 5 design created by Zen 2 team!
He’s worse than the British tabloids lol
The Zen 2 team did an even greater job than the Zen 3 team.pity it wasn´t ZEN3 team ...
They're supposedly working on Zen 7. The odd-numbered cores are new designs, even ones are iterations.
AMD Zen 3 Ryzen Deep Dive Review: 5950X, 5900X, 5800X and 5600X Tested
www.anandtech.com
Did I understand this correctly ?However, AMD did not do this. In our interviews with AMD’s senior staff, we have known that AMD has two independent CPU core design teams that aim to leapfrog each other as they build newer, high performance cores. Zen 1 and Zen 2 were products from the first core design team, and now Zen 3 is the product from the second design team. Naturally we then expect Zen 4 to be the next generation of Zen 3, with ‘the low hanging fruit’ taken care of.
Dunno about Zen 6 being meh, but the rest is correct.Did I understand this correctly ?
Team-1: zen1, zen2, zen5, zen6
Team-2: zen3, zen4, zen7?, zen8?
So zen-6 will also be meh (other than upgrade to 3nm?)
Team one odd. Team two even.Did I understand this correctly ?
Team-1: zen1, zen2, zen5, zen6
Team-2: zen3, zen4, zen7?, zen8?
Even and odd gens are mixed up in there with the same teams.Dunno about Zen 6 being meh, but the rest is correct.
Yes if you mean hetzner but those are not home use at all.... epyc and server parts are just over the top with priceNah. I think there are thousands, if not millions, of Ryzen Linux servers out there. So it's a sizeable percentage of users.
No, even gens -- leveraged cores -- are done by the same team that created the initial design in the previous gen.Team one odd. Team two even.
So,
Team-1: zen1, zen3, zen5,zen7
Team-2: zen2, zen4, zen6, zen8
Zen 2 team can only mess up Zen 6 if they are supposed to be bad but they did a nice job with Zen 4. That's why MLID is so dumb. Doesn't even try to use common sense before posting rumors (or making them up).
Zen 5 clearly has issues. Could be architectural, could be microcode/software, in reality, its probably is both. Tom is claiming this probably could have been avoided with couple month delay, but its very likely that an extra two months would not help. Im thinking it would not, and the reason Im thinking that is if they really believed it would, they would have done it. Anyone expecting miracles from a new AGESA or chipset drivers needs to temper their expectations. I dont believe the CCD to CCD latency issues are fixable. That is a gigantic issue, big enough that if it was something they reasonably thought could be fixed with microcode, they would have pushed back the launch and done it.Rumor mill says drama on zen5 design lead to problems with software etc..
Surely AMD will make up for it this time around by giving us affordable Zen5 Threadripper with Turin-based IOD..... Surely....Zen 5 clearly has issues. Could be architectural, could be microcode/software, in reality, its probably is both. Tom is claiming this probably could have been avoided with couple month delay, but its very likely that an extra two months would not help. Im thinking it would not, and the reason Im thinking that is if they really believed it would, they would have done it. Anyone expecting miracles from a new AGESA or chipset drivers needs to temper their expectations. I dont believe the CCD to CCD latency issues are fixable. That is a gigantic issue, big enough that if it was something they reasonably thought could be fixed with microcode, they would have pushed back the launch and done it.
Its very possible that current Zen 5 performance and characteristics is just what they have, and they were faced with two options: Either launch it as is, or dont launch it at all, and they chose the former. To his credit, Tom DID leak prior to the launch that there was some real trouble encounted in the Zen 5 design, and it does appear looking from the outside that is very plausible.
Rumor mill says drama on zen5 design lead to problems with software etc..
OK, now I have a headache. Too much for my brain cells to figure that out.No, even gens -- leveraged cores -- are done by the same team that created the initial design in the previous gen.
I kinda feel like throwing a hard question: what can microcode do? How much can microcode tweak/control in a modern CPU?Zen 5 clearly has issues. Could be architectural, could be microcode/software