“At the end of the day, there were a series of decisions that AMD made, that differed from how reviewers were testing, that led to different conclusions,” McAfee said. “This is not saying that reviewers did anything wrong, or that there’s anything in the process of how these reviews were done that was incorrect. We were as puzzled by some of the results that reviewers were seeing as the Ryzen fans are out there in the world, and that’s really what led us to this sort of multi-layered conclusion that there’s a number of factors going on here that created that separation.
This is no shade whatsoever on reviewers and how they tested, this is completely on things that we didn’t really understand as a part of the way that we tested and configured our products, and how that differed from both reviewer game suites moving in a slightly different direction, as well as how they tested the product versus how we did. It’s not a criticism of reviewers or how they test, simply significant differences in setup and configuration that got us from point A to point B and I think we understand that now.”
If you cant dazzle them with brilliance, BAFFLE them with BS.
From a consumer standpoint, the only thing that warrants being named a delay is when a company fails to meet deadline that they publicly committed to.
So if Nova Lake releases in 2035 I guess it's not delayed.
Does a bear poop in the woods even if nobody's around to see it?If a product release doesn't meet its timeline but nobody can tell time is it really delayed?
I believe Lisa Su has a certain relative she could ask what good marketing brings to the table.Moral of the story: don't continue to employ marketing and public relations people that are terrible at their jobs.
Exactly. Multiple frames of reference.Does a bear poop in the woods even if nobody's around to see it?
The explanation could be as simple as "AMD hardware guys have a vague idea of how software works and AMD software guys have an even poorer understanding of how their own hardware works".AMD talks Ryzen 9000 controversy: 'We were as puzzled' as reviewers
AMD's David McAfee joined our Full Nerd podcast to wade deep into the differing benchmark results seen by the company and independent reviewers.www.pcworld.com
That’s fine, it just means AMD is purposefully handicapping Intel in their comparison.
AMD also pointed out that in its first-party tests that compare Ryzen 9000 series processor models to Intel's, the company ran the 14th Gen Core chips with the same DDR5-6000 memory speed with the same timings, and used Intel's baseline power profile that uses stock power limits for these processors (125 W base- and 252 W maximum turbo power in case of the Core i9-14900K and the i7-14700K, for example).
Is there an official Intel slide which says 1) that Nova Lake exists, and 2) when it's coming out?So if Nova Lake releases in 2035 I guess it's not delayed.
You mean the 9700X review that came out 08/19/2024? NBC put out any 50+ game benchmarks in follow up pieces like HUB does?I'll take HUB's 13 game test suite on launch day over a 20 game test suite (half of which were released 5-9 years ago) in a review that comes out nearly 2 full weeks after launch.And also ask the reviewers to make broader tests because HWUB FI use only 13 games in their average and most are the same kind, NBC who used a more diverse set of games and in a bigger quantity got results that were close to the ones of AMD.
I can as well by selecting 13 specific games get all possible results that would be at odd the ones with the others, all i would have to do is to either select 13 games were AMD is as weak as posible or another set were they are very good and then get the conlusions i want.
FI Xplane is a game where Zen 5 does very well and none set apart NBC, and eventually THG, used it in their tests, they all rely on first person shooter view games or the likes.
The question should then be: why isn't there a team in the middle, with managers from both the hardware and software side that can settle any discrepancies from either perspective? The result would be neither side is then talking past the other.The explanation could be as simple as "AMD hardware guys have a vague idea of how software works and AMD software guys have an even poorer understanding of how their own hardware works".
Not the first time when two different departments in the same company have communication problems.
Only thing I've seen was the leaked Dell roadmap. Anything else was from my understanding MLID.Is there an official Intel slide which says 1) that Nova Lake exists, and 2) when it's coming out?
No and no, hence my question. Officially, Nova Lake doesn't even exist. But internally and to OEMs, Intel has shown Nova Lake launching late 2026/early 2027.Is there an official Intel slide which says 1) that Nova Lake exists, and 2) when it's coming out?
No.
Same settings as Computerbase in their latest reviews, set apart for the RAM since they test all CPUs at RAM stock speeds.
AMD Works with Microsoft to Improve Zen 3 thru Zen 5 Performance in Windows 11 24H2
AMD Ryzen 9000 "Granite Ridge" desktop processors have been out for a couple of weeks now, and the "Zen 5" based processors have fallen short of gaming performance expectations, set mainly by some of the numbers AMD put out in its Computex 2024 reveal for the processors. The consensus among the...www.techpowerup.com
A look at the details under “Internal CPU Power Management” then shows the desired values: PL1 = PL2 with 253 watts and the “current limit” at 400 amps.
Still way more representative than HWUB, it s not like a 5 years old game new version is that different from the previous onen, and what about recent games that are still not ironed out..?You mean the 9700X review that came out 08/19/2024? NBC put out any 50+ game benchmarks in follow up pieces like HUB does?I'll take HUB's 13 game test suite on launch day over a 20 game test suite (half of which were released 5-9 years ago) in a review that comes out nearly 2 full weeks after launch.
Remember when Nehalem was originally a future architecture based off of Netburst?No and no, hence my question. Officially, Nova Lake doesn't even exist. But internally and to OEMs, Intel has shown Nova Lake launching late 2026/early 2027.
So if it launches in 2035, did it get delayed by 8+ years or did everything went according to plan?
Apparently NBC was too lazy to get a review out until 12 days after launch. This is a really bad take, which seems to be par for the course. You do realize HUB goes out of their way to avoid automated game testing and is critical of it right?Still way more representative than HWUB, it s not like a 5 years old game new version is that different from the previous onen, and what about recent games that are still not ironed out..?
This test use several res and settings contrary to HWUB lazy reviewers who are just using what can be automated easily, they better wake up a little earlier and do more actual work.
Nova Lake released in 2035 would be hopelessly dated, so you could infer it having been internally delayed from being years behind in performance, unlike GNR X3D released around CES. An absolutely irrelevant example, not to mention that such a product wouldn't ever be released in the first place.So if Nova Lake releases in 2035 I guess it's not delayed.
Your insistence on being wrong astounds me.
From computerbase’s Intel test settings:
Apparently NBC was too lazy to get a review out until 12 days after launch. This is a really bad take, which seems to be par for the course. You do realize HUB goes out of their way to avoid automated game testing and is critical of it right?
So Computerbase are exceeding Intel s own request, surely to not handicapp them in the benchmarks
It really is astounding.
Ah yes! I see, My half joking jabs are "pseudo arguments" but your hot takes on HUB's testing are totally grounded in logic and reason. NBC's testing screams automated canned benchmarks. Are you sure that's not what they're doing? Either way It's funny you''d use that as an argument against HUB's methodology. I'm so glad NBC included all of that amazing GTA V data. Most of it is run up against the 188 FPS limit of the engine. Such amazing games testing! So many settings tested! At least people still play that game. Unlike most of the other 5+ year old games they tested.They started with the 9600X some time ago, and they had to wait for AMD delivering a 9700X, you are just throwing useless pseudo arguments here.
At least this allowed them to not do some blunders since hey got wind that a fresh W11 installation was required, otherwise they could had used the set up used for the 9600X.
Ah yes! I see, My half joking jabs are "pseudo arguments" but your hot takes on HUB's testing are totally grounded in logic and reason. NBC's testing screams automated canned benchmarks. Are you sure that's not what they're doing? Either way It's funny you''d use that as an argument against HUB's methodology. I'm so glad NBC included all of that amazing GTA V data. Half of it is run up against the 188 FPS limit of the engine. Such amazing games testing! So many settings tested! At least people still play that game. Unlike most of the other 5+ year old games they tested.
I edited my post.
As said it s their choice, but AMD cant be put at fault for respecting Intel s official request, that s way more pofessional than comparing your mobile CPU with a dual channel to the competitor one purposely gimped with a single channel, and then when asked why to answer that it was a laptop out of the box
Of course, after you ordered it with the minimal options at Asus.
The explanation could be as simple as "AMD hardware guys have a vague idea of how software works and AMD software guys have an even poorer understanding of how their own hardware works".
Not the first time when two different departments in the same company have communication problems.
The question should then be: why isn't there a team in the middle, with managers from both the hardware and software side that can settle any discrepancies from either perspective? The result would be neither side is then talking past the other.
Seems like that shouldn't be hard to institute.
Just an aside, Johnny Mac was 100% justified and correct to freak out in that classic piece. If you watch the shot that caused his outburst, it was called out but was 1000% in, lol.You mean the 9700X review that came out 08/19/2024? NBC put out any 50+ game benchmarks in follow up pieces like HUB does?I'll take HUB's 13 game test suite on launch day over a 20 game test suite (half of which were released 5-9 years ago) in a review that comes out nearly 2 full weeks after launch.