Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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inquiss

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Me and the people I've talked to are all legitimately very confused:
Should we be mad that for years we lost ~10% gaming performance and possibly also productivity perf?
Should we be happy that we suddenly gain ~10% performance 4 entire years after Zen 3 came out and 2 years after Zen 4?

We're all very, very, very confused about how to feel about AMD...
You paid the price based on the lower performance and you get the extra performance now. Had these chips performed as well as with this update they may have cost more. You paid the price of the lower performance, were happy with that, then got the extra performance without paying. Don't see how this is a bad thing at all.
 

MarkPost

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I have done some testing and this isnt a 24H2 optimization. It happens with any other Windows 11 version: I have tested it with 21H2 (several games), and the very same gains I see with 24H2 going from a standard (admin) account to the built-in administrator account, I see them with 21H2 too. Just the same.
 

Hitman928

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I have done some testing and this isnt a 24H2 optimization. It happens with any other Windows 11 version: I have tested it with 21H2 (several games), and the very same gains I see with 24H2 going from a standard (admin) account to the built-in administrator account, I see them with 21H2 too. Just the same.

This is different than the small gains seen previously by using the admin account. You shouldn’t need to use the admin account to see these gains, just have 24H2.
 

MarkPost

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This is different than the small gains seen previously by using the admin account. You shouldn’t need to use the admin account to see these gains, just have 24H2.
No, there is no difference in perfomance between 21H2 and 24H2; you only see gain perfomance using built-in admin account, and this is common for these two windows versions
 
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burninatortech4

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Lol. Only geeks could get salty about a free 0 to 30% performance improvement!

Be interesting to see if my 5800x3d gets a boost but I think that I'm pretty GPU bound most of the time!
There are some (admittedly niche - Stellaris comes to mind) situations where my standard Zen 3 cores on my 5950X are holding back my 7800XT. I'm looking foward to seeing any testing HUB or GN can do with Zen 3 / Zen 3 X3D.
 
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Jan Olšan

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Seems there are now some GB6.3.0 ST scorea surpassing 3500 points in the database for Ryzen 9 9950X.


Some look likely to be OCed in some way (~5900 clock), but some are at 5725-5775 MHz which may be achievable with stock boost?

There is no way of looking at Windows 11 version used to see if there is the 24H2 branch-prediction flushing overhaul at work?
 
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MarkPost

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So are you suggesting that 23H2 was a large regression in performance or that you think HWUB’s data is bad?
No, notice that the 23H2 results come from their first 9700X review. (so, normal account, no built-in account). On the contrary, their 24H2 numbers are with built-in admin account.
 

GaiaHunter

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No, notice that the 23H2 results come from their first 9700X review. (so, normal account, no built-in account). On the contrary, their 24H2 numbers are with built-in admin account.
Nope.
These tests are with no built-in admin account.

They tested in a previous video with the built-in admin account, but in this video is normal account vs normal account
 

MarkPost

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Nope.
These tests are with no built-in admin account.

They tested in a previous video with the built-in admin account, but in this video is normal account vs normal account

I dont think so. Some of my numbers (9950X with 6800XT, low resolution, low settings to avoid GPU bottleneck):

Call of Duty Modern Warfare II:
21H2 (normal admin account): 417fps
24H2 (normal admin account): 405fps

21H2 (built-in admin account): 420fps
24H2 (built-in admin account): 406fps

Dying Light 2:
21H2 (normal admin account): 330.47fps
24H2 (normal admin account): 328.41fps

21H2 (built-in admin account): 330.14fps
24H2 (built-in admin account): 331.78fps

Far Cry 6:
21H2 (normal admin account): 243fps
24H2 (normal admin account): 246fps

21H2 (built-in admin account): 251fps
24H2 (built-in admin account): 254fps

Rainbow Six Extraction:
21H2 (normal admin account): 447fps
24H2 (normal admin account): 459fps

21H2 (built-in admin account): 524fps
24H2 (built-in admin account): 529fps

The Riftbreaker:
21H2 (normal admin account): 212.98fps
24H2 (normal admin account): 212.59fps

21H2 (built-in admin account): 229.01fps
24H2 (built-in admin account): 228.24fps

I see a very similar behavior between these two win versions.
 
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GaiaHunter

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I dont think so. Some of my numbers (9950X with 6800XT, low resolution, low settings to avoid GPU bottleneck):

I see a very similar behavior between these two win versions.
That doesn't change what they stated - both versions were using normal admin account.
Are HWU numbers correct? Are your numbers correct? Does it benefit Nvidia GPUs more than AMD GPUs?

No idea.
 

gdansk

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Someone already ran the benchmarks with X3d chip on AMD subreddit. 12% more scores on Geekbench!


Looking only at GB6 the before results are extremely low and suspect.
Even the after results are lower than a stock 7800X3D in an old build of Windows 11.
The poster says they had a bunch of background programs open which makes it almost useless results - who knows if the programs were doing much more background work in run A vs run B.
 
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