This is likely the case. Apple has really huge display controllers to combat such issues. Each one takes up more area than 4 P cores.Additionally, the X-Elite laptop shockingly does worse with the external monitor than the internal one. I'm not sure what to make of that except that maybe connecting an external monitor fires up a power hungry display controller that uses more power than an IPS screen (at 200 nits)? Anyway, crazy result.
Many people wrote and said it, the real loss is the gross mismanagement of the company that represents x86 - Intel corporation.We'll never see another Conroe jump as long as x86 is still produced on silicon.
Zen 5 thread ??? Can we get back to that ????Many people wrote and said it, the real loss is the gross mismanagement of the company that represents x86 - Intel corporation.
Saying it's the ISA merely confirms biases. It's not the main result. Had Intel leaders have the foresight to actually organically expand into other markets rather than zealously protecting short term profits at the detriment of everything else, then they wouldn't be in the dire straits they do today.
The government incompetence plus malice allowing x86 not be opened has faults too. Many, many times they gave Intel a win, when they should have been left to fend for themselves. Just like a fat slob refusing to change and friends/family coddling him, now Intel is actually under serious threat of disappearing into history.
well, we know Apple uses the least amount of power. I made a post about it like a month ago and trying to determine how you normalize everything. I think it can be done, but it’s not easy. Decent amount of variables.Why use a proxy when you have the actual scores? If Apple cores are twice as fast per clock but clocked half as fast then they have the same performance. The follow on is then which used the most power, so iyou use performance per watt. Ranking by performance per clock is..meaningless. Just means it targeted a different frequency in the design.
Just read that Apple uses twice the size display block to save power on it.Nonetheless within microarchitecture (and some would say outside) it’s a quick way to tell. We know the ARM designs typically have less power draw anyways.
Just use performance per watt or absolute performance. Frequency is pointless. Zen 5 is a high frequency design. Apple isn't. So what. Performance of the processors is what matters.well, we know Apple uses the least amount of power. I made a post about it like a month ago and trying to determine how you normalize everything. I think it can be done, but it’s not easy. Decent amount of variables.
Nonetheless within microarchitecture (and some would say outside) it’s a quick way to tell. We know the ARM designs typically have less power draw anyways.
This is likely the case. Apple has really huge display controllers to combat such issues. Each one takes up more area than 4 P cores.
Display controllers are often overlooked in SoC designs but having a good one means less fan noise. some info on Apple display controllers.
Edit: https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan/112094852797332616
Intel and apple talk in a Zen 5 thread ???View attachment 106576
A pair of display engines is about the size of a P-core.
A single Thunderbolt controller is about the size of a P-core.
FYI, the P-core in M3 is about 2.5 mm² (N3B).
I apologise for bringing it up. I thought it was relevant as the PC world video was talking about external monitors efficiency for Strix Point. we found that AMD really improved the display controllers on Strix Point. Just look at that amazing battery life. AMD always had trouble with excess power consumption when using external monitors, so there might reasons as why that's the case when looking at other designs. As long the comparison is relevant to the topic in this case Strix Point and it's direct competition I see it as fine, ( of course that's not my call to make).Intel and apple talk in a Zen 5 thread ???
Windows Update KB5041587, which optimizes for Ryzen, has been released, so I decided to check its effectiveness.While svt-av1 increased speed by up to 9%, the effect on Cinebench and x264/x265 was minimal, but it seems to make a big difference in games, so if you're using Ryzen + Win11, it might be a good idea to update.
Uhm, AMD is, for all intents and purposes, just entering the laptop market. Strix Halo is in the pipeline and will allegedly have an extra low power design of Zen cores. — However, are you aware of AMD's position in the industry with respect to performance per Watt in the datacenter? If not, perhaps ask @Markfw. His home is a datacenter, and AFAICT he cares quite a bit about getting the most computation out of the kWh he is paying for.@Markfw Your beloved Zen 5 and AMD has the same overall mindset as Intel. I'd suggest to AMD if they want to survive they expand and look into mobile(Smartphone/Tablet) battery life and power envelopes. And they need to do that with not some separate low power(like Intel with Atom) but with future Zen chips.
While it plays a role how "branchy" the workload is, I presume the primary factor is how much the workload triggered Windows' obsolete vulnerability mitigations. That would be syscalls, context switches...? AFAIU. (Or, what else is going on on the system during a workload which itself might not trigger these mitigations a lot.)It looks like KB5041587 provide a single digit boost in video encoding. Dunno the mechanism on it, maybe IRL productivity like this is affected by branch prediction revision
I wasnt saying its the ISA at all. Im saying its the physical and thermal limits of silicon, along with the current level of knowledge and interest in obtaining gains in CPU speed.Many people wrote and said it, the real loss is the gross mismanagement of the company that represents x86 - Intel corporation.
Saying it's the ISA merely confirms biases. It's not the main result. Had Intel leaders have the foresight to actually organically expand into other markets rather than zealously protecting short term profits at the detriment of everything else, then they wouldn't be in the dire straits they do today.
The government incompetence plus malice allowing x86 not be opened has faults too. Many, many times they gave Intel a win, when they should have been left to fend for themselves. Just like a fat slob refusing to change and friends/family coddling him, now Intel is actually under serious threat of disappearing into history.
Japanese enthusiast enter the chat. Looks like KB5041587 provide a single digit boost in video encoding. Dunno the mechanism on it, maybe IRL productivity like this is affected by branch prediction revision
Ryzen向け最適化パッチ (Windows Update KB5041587)
昨日(8/28)公開されたWindows Update KB5041587では、分岐予測の最適化が行われ、特にRyzen CPUの性能が向上すると言われている。もともとWin11 24H2で予定されていた更新の前倒しということのようだ。 なお、これはRyzen 9xxx(Zen5)向けと謳われているが、Zen5に限った話ではないものなので、以前のRyzen、特にZen3やZen4などにも効果が大きいようだ。 基本的にはゲームなどで非常に大きな効果があるとされている一方で、そ...rigaya34589.blog.fc2.com
Looks more like 110-115W. But keep in mind this is with CO/CS undervolting in play. Thing about those is not all chips can attain the same max stable UV. Still very interesting.He provided an interesting comparison , in CB R23 the 9950X@120W can match a 7950X at full power :
Looks more like 110-115W. But keep in mind this is with CO/CS undervolting in play. Thing about those is not all chips can attain the same max stable UV. Still very interesting.
What does this even mean? AMD has been in the laptop market since ages. If anything Qualcomm and especially Apple are new in the laptop space with their own SoC designs. This space has long been dominated by Intel's shady deals with OEMs.Uhm, AMD is, for all intents and purposes, just entering the laptop market. Strix Halo is in the pipeline and will allegedly have an extra low power design of Zen cores.
What does this even mean? AMD has been in the laptop market since ages. If anything Qualcomm and especially Apple are new in the laptop space with their own SoC designs. This space has long been dominated by Intel's shady deals with OEMs.
I'm interested to see how Strix Halo performs but it's mot exactly an efficiency focused design. If your referring to Halo being new then yes, this is AMD's first of its kind in laptop.
They needed Lunarlake competitor like yesterday too. True, AMD's position is much better financially but it isn't a guarantee to last.I'm interested to see how Strix Halo performs but it's mot exactly an efficiency focused design. If your referring to Halo being new then yes, this is AMD's first of its kind in laptop.
Uhm, AMD is, for all intents and purposes, just entering the laptop market. Strix Halo is in the pipeline and will allegedly have an extra low power design of Zen cores.
What does this even mean? AMD has been in the laptop market since ages. If anything Qualcomm and especially Apple are new in the laptop space with their own SoC designs. This space has long been dominated by Intel's shady deals with OEMs.
I admit to a bit of hyperbole. But as @poke01 hinted, to enter anywhere, you need to be let in. (Until not so long ago, AMD, despite having decent laptop SoCs and knowing a thing or two about SoC power management, were almost completely relegated to the cheap end of the laptop market and even there the selection of laptop designs wasn't quite big. The incumbent leveraging his market position at and beyond the fine line of legality is one thing; another, among more, is the extent of technical support to ODMs. Not that I knew details of the latter myself, just going by what others said on it.) The now increasing range of AMD laptop designs is what I had in mind when I stated they "are just entering" the market.Yea I read that and thought to myself did Renoir not exist?
I referred to it because the post which I responded to suggested to AMD to extend Zen to "low power chips". While Strix Halo is obviously not going to be a "low power chip" when actually utilized, it a) allegedly will feature new very low power cores, b) certainly will enable low idle/near-idle power use despite its aggregated high-performance design, thanks to its packaging tech.I'm interested to see how Strix Halo performs but it's mot exactly an efficiency focused design. If your referring to Halo being new then yes, this is AMD's first of its kind in laptop.