Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[Kepler_L2]

There are sampling already of ZEN 5 :

https://twitter.com/x/status/1719461095306416204

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They have been sampling since January

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

They have been sampling since January

Yet I didn't receive anything. Why is that?

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Supposedly, Strix halo is delayed to 2025 and Strix Point to 2Q24.
Videocardz

Spoiler: Strix Point and Strix Halo delay

There is a new Kraken Point with 8C Zen5 + RDNA3.5

edit:
@jpiniero: Yeah, I know It's from MLID, that's why I used a spoiler.

 

[jpiniero]

MLID though

 

[igor_kavinski]

I wonder how many games will even officially support Windows on Arm. It seems like opening a can of worms for very few extra unit sales.

QC is positioning their WinARM laptops for business use. So that begs the question, what do business people like to play with on their laptops in their free time?

 

[RnR_au]

QC is positioning their WinARM laptops for business use. So that begs the question, what do business people like to play with on their laptops in their free time?

Solitaire... Minesweeper...

 

[FlameTail]

Can't games be emulated like apps in WoA ?

Adreno GPUs are quite formidable for gaming in smartphones. And Qualcomm has kitted the X Elite with a pretty hefty one. There is no hardware deficiency.

 

[FlameTail]

MLID though

No need to say.

That slide is sufficiently splattered with the dude's watermarks.

 

[yuri69]

Supposedly, Strix halo is delayed to 2025 and Strix Point to 2Q24.

So, majority of Zen 5 client is 2025. Yet, Zen 6 is supposed to come "late '25". Huh

 

[rainy]

So, majority of Zen 5 client is 2025. Yet, Zen 6 is supposed to come "late '25". Huh

I understand, that you're an Intel fan but please stop being ridiculous - Zen 5 is coming next year.

 

[adroc_thurston]

and Strix Point to 2Q24.

That's not a delay, lol.
It's June'24.

Can't games be emulated like apps in WoA ?

No AVX, no TSO means death.

Adreno GPUs are quite formidable for gaming in smartphones.

GLES and castrated Vulkan != proper API support.

So, majority of Zen 5 client is 2025

No.

 

[jpiniero]

That's not a delay, lol.
It's June'24.

Is that when product will be available or is that just the launch and the products will be available 9 months later.

 

[FlameTail]

No AVX, no TSO means death.

Can someone elaborate on what this entails?

GLES and castrated Vulkan != proper API support.

Drivers are software and can be fixed. Look at Intel Arc.

 

[igor_kavinski]

No AVX, no TSO means death.

If Control can run on WoA, others will follow. Give it a few years and sufficient installed base.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Is that when product will be available or is that just the launch and the products will be available 9 months later.

Means designs next month (so July).

Can someone elaborate on what this entails?

Modern games pretty heavily use CPU SIMD since 8th and especially 9th gen consoles have rather capable AVX implementations.

Drivers are software and can be fixed

We've been at it since 2017, Adreno is still unusable.

Look at Intel Arc.

Still a mess?

If Control can run on WoA, others will follow

It's a d3d12 title, the market is far wider than that.

 

[H433x0n]

There are sampling already of ZEN 5 :

https://twitter.com/x/status/1719461095306416204

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I meant Zen 5 Ryzen for desktop. I knew Turin was already out in the wild.

 

[Glo.]

QC is positioning their WinARM laptops for business use. So that begs the question, what do business people like to play with on their laptops in their free time?

Fortnite Mobile, Genshin Impact, Hearthstone: Battlegrounds, League of Legends: Wild Rift, Albion Online.

 

[DisEnchantment]

Strix launching in late Q2 or early Q3 would mean devices in 2025, if Phoenix is a precedent.
So... MLID of all people seems to get things right? Delivered the Architecture overview too?

If so, for 2024 Win12 release all they got are Phoenix refreshes to compete with Snapdragon Elite/MTL?

 

[Joe NYC]

So, majority of Zen 5 client is 2025. Yet, Zen 6 is supposed to come "late '25". Huh

Desktop Zen 5 in H1 2024, mainstream laptop chip in mid 2024. So, majority of Zen 5 client is 2024.

 

[Joe NYC]

Strix launching in late Q2 or early Q3 would mean devices in 2025, if Phoenix is a precedent.
So... MLID of all people seems to get things right? Delivered the Architecture overview too?

If so, for 2024 Win12 release all they got are Phoenix refreshes to compete with Snapdragon Elite/MTL?

That's assuming notebook launches will continue to be paper launches.

But it is quite possible that instead of paper launching at CES, AMD decided to do a real launch at Computex.

 

[adroc_thurston]

I meant Zen 5 Ryzen for desktop.

It's the same thing as Turin.
Not until Zen6 things diverge.

Strix launching in late Q2 or early Q3 would mean devices in 2025

ughhh no? no.

if Phoenix is a precedent.

Phoenix is a margin env thing which is back to being healthy.

If so, for 2024 Win12 release all they got are Phoenix refreshes to compete with Snapdragon Elite/MTL?

MTL is a meme volume part.

AMD decided to do a real launch at Computex.

No they just ditched 4Q cadence for mobile parts.

 

[Joe NYC]

Phoenix is a margin env thing which is back to being healthy.
MTL is a meme volume part.

It seems that the OEMs are not very enthusiastic about pushing Alder / Raptor Lake notebooks, missing the silly AI sticker. And like you said, MTL volumes are very low and costs will be high.

Looks like a Phoenix is in a perfect spot to capitalize.

BTW, did you catch Lisa saying that AMD is building up inventories of Phoenix? Must be to prepare for this opportunity.

 

[DrMrLordX]

We've been at it since 2017, Adreno is still unusable.

Why?

 

[H433x0n]

MTL is a meme volume part.

What do you mean? You don’t think they’ll ship volume of MTL? Surely by Q1 2024 it should have decent availability no?

 

[FlameTail]

Didn't Intel say by 2025 they will chip 100m AI PCs with Intel Chips?