Well, I am NOT pushing ebay, but they seem to be friendlier to buyers than sellers, and I have returned quite a few items. The delay in the returns and the money is just a Loooong time in coming. I eventually got all my money.Too risky to buy - what if my fav OS does not work on it?
Plus I prefer to buy expensive stuff like that from places that offer some kind of peace of mind (returns), only ever bought once ES of Nehalem but that was from someone I knew and could trust, two chips still working 24/7!
They deal with a handful hyperscalers, a handful OEMs, and a handful distributors. "We" deal with retailers who deal with distributors.AMD is losing real money with this sort of attitude.
You are only looking at server chips. THEY CAN"T MAKE ENOUGH for their existing distributors. They don't need us.I'd only buy a CPU on Ebay with a huge discount from a reputable seller and only if I knew that it will work in MB that I already have and OS will work too - there is extra risk these days with vendor locked ones, guess that can be returned, but just not worth the hassle. It really annoys me that AMD can't get their stuff available in retail even at their now ridiculous list prices, took so long for Genoa that it was just waiting for Turin. AMD is losing real money with this sort of attitude.
Certainly way too much effort for them to deal with retailers directly.
They don't need us.
See above. They done have enough chips for the demand. When they do, I am sure we will see retail.Well, I don't need them to deal with retailers directly, I just need their stuff to be available in retail - they have to give big discounts to hyperscalers and OEMs must be getting decent discounts too, where as retail is full margin. Allocating zero to retail channel for a long time is bad business, at least some crumbs at full list price would have been nice to allow people validate their hardware for their not-so-large businesses.
What kind of workloads do you have?Things were so different in Rome era - nice cheap single socket 64 cores
PS:– Supermicro "Rev 2" boards
with Rome , they were just touching the surface with distributors. They were not known as the king of server chips yet. Rome was the first decent one. Milan was better, but Genoa exploded with power. And Turin blows Genoa away.(I have heard)Well, I don't need them to deal with retailers directly, I just need their stuff to be available in retail - they have to give big discounts to hyperscalers and OEMs must be getting decent discounts too, where as retail is full margin. Allocating zero to retail channel for a long time is bad business, at least some crumbs at full list price would have been nice to allow people validate their hardware for their not-so-large businesses.
Things were so different in Rome era - nice cheap single socket 64 cores
What kind of workloads do you have?
before you experiment with Turin. Get a Genoa 9554. You won't be sorry.Highly parallel big data processing, mostly integer, but looking forward to using a lot of AVX-512 (still mostly on integer side).
Yep. Besides, did any launch of a server CPU line ever go through fundamentally different? Including Intel's. The Broadwell-EP launch was the first one which I watched closer myself, as this one was the first time at which I needed to get me some server CPUs. The timeline then was, circa: Availability to select customers - - - - - - allegedly many many months - - - - - - Intel's public reveal of Broadwell-EP - - - several months - - - real retail availability.They done have enough chips for the demand. When they do, I am sure we will see retail.
before you experiment with Turin. Get a Genoa 9554. You won't be sorry.
AVX-512 in Python or something similar? As far as I know, Turin is built more for floating point than integer. Yes, there is going to be a 15% IPC advantage but for your use case, Turin seems overkill. Markfw is right. Genoa should be pretty good for you.Highly parallel big data processing, mostly integer, but looking forward to using a lot of AVX-512 (still mostly on integer side).
Turins avx-512- is 20-40% faster than Genoa, but in other things, 5-10%. My Genoa's run 3.5 ghz, 128 threads at 100% !It's the backup plan (that 64 core looks very nice indeed), but in general I found Genoa's clocks on rather low side (plus memory speed rather first gen) - Turin seems to hit the spot, plus full speed AVX-512, the only thing I am not keen on is prices. I've got 7800X3D as personal PC now, very nice - waiting for 9950X3D to release before upgrading, there is hoping for dual cache slices, now that would be sweet...
Does Winserver2012R2 work on that?I've got 7800X3D as personal PC now
Have not tried - it might do, problem is that the CPU was released 6 Apr 2023, and 2012R2 officially lost all support on 10 Oct 2023 - typically in my experience this meant that any CPUs released before that date were getting supported at least in a sense of "it's working on them" and shows correct CPU name, so that's not helping with Turin situation.Does Winserver2012R2 work on that?
for your use case, Turin seems overkill.
If his integer processing is _vectorized_, Turin will handily beat Genoa core for core, GHz for Ghz, and Watt for Watt. Though most likely not $ for $...... until we get close to Venice's launch maybe.AVX-512 in Python or something similar? As far as I know, Turin is built more for floating point than integer.
Well, then obvious and quick solution seems to be to get 9800X3D and try installing that OSHave not tried - it might do, problem is that the CPU was released 6 Apr 2023, and 2012R2 officially lost all support on 10 Oct 2023 - typically in my experience this meant that any CPUs released before that date were getting supported at least in a sense of "it's working on them" and shows correct CPU name, so that's not helping with Turin situation.
Well, then obvious and quick solution seems to be to get 9800X3D and try installing that OS
Looks weird with regards to power. Three CPU power connectors. I don't see the ATX power connector on the mobo. Which PSU works with this mobo?Lets hope this is the answer. No power supply until Sunday !! arg...
Not sure, but that psu has 4 cpu /PCIE connecters, but just 2 cords. I ordered a 3rd cord that is compatible. we will see Sunday.Looks weird with regards to power. Three CPU power connectors. I don't see the ATX power connector on the mobo. Which PSU works with this mobo?