Question Zen 6 Speculation Thread

[yuri69]

ZEN 60% !!!!!!!

INB4 Zen 6%

 

[del42sa]

ZEN6% may be an offical name of the product

 

[Thunder 57]

I really wish people would stop wit these "jokes". Old, and not funny.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I really wish people would stop wit these "jokes". Old, and not funny.

They're not old, but it turns out that "Zen5%" is performing quite well with OS and AGESA updates. It's just stupid memes at this point with no basis in reality.

So the Zen6% jokes are an extension of that . . .

 

[fastandfurious6]

Intel reportedly lost $30 billion in potential revenue due to failed PlayStation 6 chip manufacturing contract

A new report says Intel and AMD were the final two bidders for Sony's PlayStation 6 chip. AMD won the contract because Intel was unable to negotiate a mutually beneficial deal, which could have generated up to $30 billion for Intel.

www.notebookcheck.net

playstation 6 will have AMD Medusa right

 

[marees]

Intel reportedly lost $30 billion in potential revenue due to failed PlayStation 6 chip manufacturing contract

A new report says Intel and AMD were the final two bidders for Sony's PlayStation 6 chip. AMD won the contract because Intel was unable to negotiate a mutually beneficial deal, which could have generated up to $30 billion for Intel.

www.notebookcheck.net

playstation 6 will have AMD Medusa right

PS6 is 2028 or later. Should be some form of c-core. Either z6c or z7c

 

[GTracing]

Intel reportedly lost $30 billion in potential revenue due to failed PlayStation 6 chip manufacturing contract

A new report says Intel and AMD were the final two bidders for Sony's PlayStation 6 chip. AMD won the contract because Intel was unable to negotiate a mutually beneficial deal, which could have generated up to $30 billion for Intel.

www.notebookcheck.net

playstation 6 will have AMD Medusa right

Nobody knows. If AMD and Sony keep following the same pattern, Zen6 will come in 2026, Zen7 will come in 2028, and the PS6 will also come in 2028.

The PS5 used Zen2 even though Zen3 came out the same month as the PS5.

 

[fastandfurious6]

yeah probably beefy medusa / medusa 2nm refresh

have to deal with volumes, TSMC won't be able to accomodate zen 7 orders for ps6 so tight

 

[static shock]

Nevermind.

 

[lopri]

My (not exhaustive) wish list:

More cache
More PCI Express lanes
Wider Infinity Fabric path
Better node for the I/O die
Better node (or design) for the chipset. Promontory is freaking hot.
Stronger IMC (maybe I will finally think about getting more than 8 cores)

 

[gdansk]

Better node (or design) for the chipset. Promontory is freaking hot.

Or... get rid of it?

 

[Joe NYC]

Or... get rid of it?

Exactly!

Chipset-less design.

There is a configuration of I/O that would be satisfactory to 95% of users, and AMD could just put it in the CPU.
- I don't need 28 USB headers that x670E chipset offers. I don't even need half of that.
- SATA will be useless by Zen 6
- 1 network port covers 95% of users. Make it 10 GB/s
- WIFI, Audio a little more controversial, could still be separate chips with PCIe lane coming in.
- more PCIe directly from CPU

This could cut the prices of motherboards from $200, $300 (and up). Reduce them to $100 for basic mobo. Many of which could be mATX

 

[SteinFG]

Exactly!

There is already chipset-less boards, why are you acting like it's some novelty, X300/X600 boards are available in Asrock's Deskmini/Deskmeet boxes.

I don't need 28 USB headers that x670E chipset offers. I don't even need half of that.

AM5 CPU can offer only 4 USB 3.0 ports without chipset. B650 chipset offers at most 6 USB 3.0 ports (so B650 motherboard has 4 from CPU, 6 from chipset, 10 total). 4 is too little.

- SATA will be useless by Zen 6

Yeah that's not happening

1 network port covers 95% of users. Make it 10 GB/s

Network, Audio, and Wifi are not directly handled by the chipset anyway.

- more PCIe directly from CPU

Most PCs just need a fast GPU and NVMe link, the rest can go through Gen4 x4 chipset. that's why 20-32 PCIe lanes from CPU is here to stay. People who REALLY need more have xeons and threadrippers.

 

[Seba]

- SATA will be useless by Zen 6

In 2 years from now? No way.

Just because you don't need it, it does not mean that nobody needs it.

 

[Joe NYC]

In 2 years from now? No way.

Just because you don't need it, it does not mean that nobody needs it.

I mentioned 95% of users in my post.

It means, it would not stop mobo makers from putting a specialized PCIe chip supporting SATA and headers on specialized mobos, but 95% of the users would not have to pay that tax.

It's a pretty safe bet that 95% PCs will be using NVMe only in 2 years.

 

[Doug S]

- SATA will be useless by Zen 6

Yeah that's not happening

The fact some people will still be needing/wanting SATA in a new PC in 2026 (whenever Zen 6 comes out) doesn't mean you have to include it by default. It is clearly going to be a niche need by then, they could get a PCIe card. And presumably some motherboards could add a "chipset" that supplies SATA ports, extra USB ports, etc. or convert a spare PCIe lane into some SATA ports with a bridge chip.

If the goal is to reduce the cost of PCs for most buyers by dropping legacy stuff that's no longer needed, SATA clearly doesn't belong in 2026. Laptops are a majority of the market and I doubt any laptops are shipping with SATA devices even today let alone two years from now. The standard business PC has no use for SATA. The standard PC for a typical home (non power) user has no use for SATA.

Its thinking "oh some people still want it so everyone should get it" that kept floppy controllers, PS/2 ports, and PATA slots around for far too long. If you have a few SATA drives with important stuff on them, or you use for backup, you can connect them them with USB converters for temporary use or get a PCIe card and an appropriately sized case if you want them permanently installed. Why should the cost and design of everyone else's PC be compromised by your needs?

 

[Tuna-Fish]

Sata is a bit cheaper to supply than you'd think because the interface is electrically compatible with PCIe. AMD is already providing SATA ports as a PCIe 3.0/SATA lane on promontory, the motherboard manufacturer can choose which one they support.

 

[Doug S]

Sata is a bit cheaper to supply than you'd think because the interface is electrically compatible with PCIe. AMD is already providing SATA ports as a PCIe 3.0/SATA lane on promontory, the motherboard manufacturer can choose which one they support.

Sure it is cheaper to provide and wastes less board space than the overly long demise of IDE, but that doesn't make it any less unnecessary in 2026.

 

[Seba]

I mentioned 95% of users in my post.

Yeah, but that percentage is made up by you.

 

[Joe NYC]

Yeah, but that percentage is made up by you.

Yeah, because it is a good cut off.

 

[Thibsie]

Sure it is cheaper to provide and wastes less board space than the overly long demise of IDE, but that doesn't make it any less unnecessary in 2026.

Maybe it's just me but as a computer nerd, storage isn't little detail and... SSDs still are way too expensive when bigger than 2To.

The only way to get cheaper storage is... HDD. Surprise huh ?. So yes, SATA is needed. Not 8 ports, sure. But needed. IMO.

 

[Seba]

Well, 95% of the people don't even need a PC.

 

[Joe NYC]

Maybe it's just me but as a computer nerd, storage isn't little detail and... SSDs still are way too expensive when bigger than 2To.

The only way to get cheaper storage is... HDD. Surprise huh ?. So yes, SATA is needed. Not 8 ports, sure. But needed. IMO.

2 port SATA card is $9.99, 4 port is $17.99. For anyone that would need it in 2026.

https://www.amazon.com/ELUTENG-Express-Controller-Profile-Converter/dp/B07R9P2K8T/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2KC1ASOB9JV22&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.m4yameDY_MvVsjotcDDAzOgdI4oqDp-gnkMEEyTGOch0piPQhOBQrqWptbPdLpasZbt6R1xQ38Ej1K14RI98u9ojB5k2rj96NPgrRPoHOtDl22MPRM_dDEFZJCQNzMhf7m8HaCfBEq2J7u3M9mlCRMupgmbE3VRDF2y8mbMtc1KSqD24gejoKiVj9Iv7_V7J5J5mrwK-OeDGPcm_QuiTGvMh1x8hEj7haNB7Bk0tKtg.w3OT6is6oscIAH8Hk-D3Ie-vbXeOC-2SHj9K9zGgxs0&dib_tag=se&keywords=pcie%2Bsata%2Bcard%2B2%2Bports&qid=1728626441&sprefix=prie%2Bsata%2Bcard%2Caps%2C73&sr=8-2&th=1

Or, of the 100 motherboard models out there, if there is indeed a chipset-less Zen 6, at least 10-20 of those 100 motherboards will decide to add SATA. And it may be similar price increment as the standalone card.

 

[Seba]

Usable PCIe slots are a problem on PCs with big (multi slot) graphics cards. Or when you need some other PCIe cards, too.

Some SATA ports on the motherboard take less space than a PCIe slot.

 

[Doug S]

Maybe it's just me but as a computer nerd, storage isn't little detail and... SSDs still are way too expensive when bigger than 2To.

The only way to get cheaper storage is... HDD. Surprise huh ?. So yes, SATA is needed. Not 8 ports, sure. But needed. IMO.

How many people use more storage than what their PC comes with? 5%? What's wrong with forcing them to get the more expensive board/case, if they want that HDD internal, or a $10 SATA to USB converter if they're OK with having it external? Why do we need to design something into every PC that an ever decreasing percentage of people will have any need for?