Question Zen 6 Speculation Thread

[HuesToo4]

N2X, oh yeah. Single core uplift be crazy

Changed again from N2P?

 

[poke01]

Changed again from N2P?

It looks like N2P is for mobile

 

[HuesToo4]

It looks like N2P is for mobile

Ah okay, was thinking it was for desktop variants as well

 

[Tarkin77]

so Zen 6 (10950x) could be around 80-90% faster than a 9950x?

1,12x higher clocks (min?) x 1,12x higher IPC (>10%?) x 1,5x cores = 88% performance gain.

it will be massive.

 

[adroc_thurston]

so Zen 6 (10950x) could be around 80-90% faster than a 9950x?

1,12x higher clocks (min?) x 1,12x higher IPC (>10%?) x 1,5x cores = 88% performance gain.

it will be massive.

Well it doesn't scale like that.
But it'll be fast enough.

Ah okay, was thinking it was for desktop variants as well

indeed, AMD's been using overdrive xtor options for DT CCDs ever since Raphael.

One slide he showed had >6GHz mentioned for Medusa Range. 9955HX has 5.4 GHz boost, so that's a minimum 12% 1T clock speed bump.

well just gonna be a lot less of a clk delta between DT and mobile, since Vmax is going down the drain.

 

[marees]

What is zen 5 LP ???

https://twitter.com/x/status/1905457669537968132

 

[Timorous]

so Zen 6 (10950x) could be around 80-90% faster than a 9950x?

1,12x higher clocks (min?) x 1,12x higher IPC (>10%?) x 1,5x cores = 88% performance gain.

it will be massive.

Unless AMD change the naming scheme to something like Ryzen 9 X695 AI+ Maxx Ultra it will be the 11000 series because every zen number change has always been a +2 to the name.

Zen 1 - 1000
Zen 2 - 3000
Zen 3 - 5000
Zen 4 - 7000
Zen 5 - 9000
Zen 6 - 11000

 

[MS_AT]

Seems MILD got a better source? I mean since nobody is sayin' to ignore the information bc it comes from MILD?

 

[DisEnchantment]

Seems MILD got a better source? I mean since nobody is sayin' to ignore the information bc it comes from MILD?

I think he has got some good sources.
But trying to run leaking as a business he needs to put out videos regularly and there cant be that much leaks

1. he interprets the information in the wrong way
2. drip feed to milk the audience
3. throw some filler leaks which he corrects later or AMD changes plans

 

[CakeMonster]

The N2 talk predates that tweet by weeks.

 

[LightningZ71]

Ahh, the regular AMD hype train is getting started again.

I'm going to be cautiously but reservedly optimistic. The old slide with the "about 10+%" IP boost with likely modest clock increases is what I expect. Most of the uplift in light loaded ST scenarios, with MT getting hamstrung by memory bandwidth. Desktop and mobile facing half rate AVX-512 throughput ala Strix Point. Massive increases in 3d cache, even if they happen, are going to be highly situational in their benefits.

 

[Gideon]

Unless AMD change the naming scheme to something like Ryzen 9 X695 AI+ Maxx Ultra it will be the 11000 series because every zen number change has always been a +2 to the name.

Zen 1 - 1000
Zen 2 - 3000
Zen 3 - 5000
Zen 4 - 7000
Zen 5 - 9000
Zen 6 - 11000

For the love of God, I hope they do not use 5-digit numbers. These are just stupid and were equally stupid for Intel. They should just fall back to 3-digit numbers as has been done numerous times before:

• Intel going from Core lineup (Core 2 Quad Q9505) to "i" lineup (Core i7-990X)
• Nvidia going from GeForce 9800 GTX to GeForce GTX 280
• ATI going from Radeon HD 7970 to Radeon R9 290
• etc...

There is a reason so many car companies (and others) avoid 5 digits in product numbers. That's because it's stupid. Intel only did it because they had terminal brain cancer already; they did do the right thing and dropped back to 3 digits when they were still good.

For AMD 2 of the 5 digits would be semantically useless on any actual CPU ever produced (and if there were an odd case for an extra number, they could just add a letter to that particular model).

Ryzen 9 11950X3D would be absolutely ridiculous! (Come on, pronounce it verbally multiple times in a sentence. I dare you!)

I'd much rather see them taking over their mobile naming and fixing the broken parts.E.g., something like Ryzen 495X and Ryzen 495X3D. It would have pushback for a few months but by next gen everybody would just accept it as normal.

Alas, if the same guys are at it that named the previous parts, you bet the actual name will be "RAIzen AI MAX++ 495AI3D (PRO)."

 

[Timorous]

Ryzen 9 11950X3D would be absolutely ridiculous! (Come on, pronounce it verbally multiple times in a sentence. I dare you!)

I would pronounce it 'Ryzen Nine Eleven Nine Fifty X Three D'.

I would not pronounce it 'Ryzen Nine Eleven thousand Nine hundred and Fifty X Three D'.

I would refer to it as the Eleven thousand series though.

As for something like Ryzen 9 495 I say it in my head and would pronounce it as 'Ryzen Nine Four Nine Five AI Maxx Ultra Plus Extra XTX Gold Edition X Three D Times 2 Super Stacked Dual' ya know, because it has 2 stacks of v-cache per ccd and both ccds have v-cache.

 

[Philste]

If it's really N2P and N2X for nodes, won't it be like really late 2026 at best?

 

[fastandfurious6]

XXX965HX3DX2 Xtreme Edition

 

[RTX]

2027 in volume for Zen6 DT?

 

[adroc_thurston]

won't it be like really late 2026 at best?

Yeah.
Medusa DT is h2'26, everything else is CES'27.
Obviously, server is earlier than that.

 

[Jan Olšan]

What is zen 5 LP ???

https://twitter.com/x/status/1905457669537968132

Low Power Island sounds logical thing do do if it is chiplet CCD + IOD design.

Better question is what's with the "Zen 6 Classic + dense".
MLID said earlier the CCD has 12 fat cores, and if Medusa Point uses classic + dense and is chiplet, then obviously the desktop products using the CCD will be hybrid too.

Or the processor captured on the diagram (12 Zen6/6c cores + 8 CU graphics) is not chiplet design (edit - oh, he does say that on the video).

 

[Timmah!]

For the love of God, I hope they do not use 5-digit numbers. These are just stupid and were equally stupid for Intel. They should just fall back to 3-digit numbers as has been done numerous times before:

• Intel going from Core lineup (Core 2 Quad Q9505) to "i" lineup (Core i7-990X)
• Nvidia going from GeForce 9800 GTX to GeForce GTX 280
• ATI going from Radeon HD 7970 to Radeon R9 290
• etc...

There is a reason so many car companies (and others) avoid 5 digits in product numbers. That's because it's stupid. Intel only did it because they had terminal brain cancer already; they did do the right thing and dropped back to 3 digits when they were still good.

For AMD 2 of the 5 digits would be semantically useless on any actual CPU ever produced (and if there were an odd case for an extra number, they could just add a letter to that particular model).

Ryzen 9 11950X3D would be absolutely ridiculous! (Come on, pronounce it verbally multiple times in a sentence. I dare you!)

I'd much rather see them taking over their mobile naming and fixing the broken parts.E.g., something like Ryzen 495X and Ryzen 495X3D. It would have pushback for a few months but by next gen everybody would just accept it as normal.

Alas, if the same guys are at it that named the previous parts, you bet the actual name will be "RAIzen AI MAX++ 495AI3D (PRO)."

I can see them to revert to 3-digit numbering.
TBF, going past 10000, in other words to 5-digit nomenclature, was sort unprecedented, when it happened with Intel CPUs. I was truly surprised when they announced 10900 lineup. Did not think they were going to do that.

 

[APU_Fusion]

I think zen 6 will have 97% ipc uplift but we be slower than the 9950x3d. I mean that is obvious. 🤷‍♂️

 

[poke01]

So will ps6 have Zen6?

 

[gdansk]

So will ps6 have Zen6?

I heard Zen 5 with half the FPU cut out.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I heard Zen 5 with half the FPU cut out.

How brutal. Then AVX-512 will never take off.

 

[MS_AT]

How brutal. Then AVX-512 will never take off.

Why not, 256b implementation will do fine.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Why not, 256b implementation will do fine.

I don't know. 512-bits seems like the perfect marketing bullet point for a console