Once Apple releases a Macbook with their in house processor I think the flood gates will open as far as ARM goes. You know they already have it all worked out just like they had the parallel x86 thing going with OS X during the PowerPC days.
I get that, I have fond memories of my first K6 build, and remember loving that they were always at my easily attainable budget and delivered great bang for buck. But that was years ago, and the company has maybe 3 of those employees left over. They're a company, a brand name and in a market that has been grinding to a halt - no one cares about high performance $400 cpus and $1,000 video cards, other than a particular niche of gamers and hobbyists. For most people, a $500 all in one or $200 chromebook will do what they need to do. The niche that's left means volume's low so it'll be very difficult for a company like AMD to make the margins and recoup r&d by making $80 processors that outperform $400 intel offerings.
It just won't happen. It's kinda like when you really hope a singer's going to make an awesome comeback after 10 years of mediocrity, but then they just end up dead in a hotel... Like AMD is Whitney Houston, or MJ without the pervy stuff. I kinda think x86 is dead (and microsoft as we know it, to be honest). I think arm will be where it's at and I look forward to the day I can edit 4k video in a desktop environment with my $300 arm desktop using a hybrid of chrome and android. Apple will do it first with an arm macbook and the rest of the industry will jump ship from x86 with google giving them the platform to do it without a licensing fee. I'll put money on that!
That entirely depends on price and performance which we don't know, but there is a great demand from enthusiasts for something different to the rehash of the same product Intel has been pushing on us since Sandy Bridge. For the most part PC builders don't care about iGPU for one. Our view on here might be skewed by gaming but there are tons of folks out there who need cores at an affordable price. Every single CPU intensive task I do on my computer is multithreaded, whether it be running tons of vagrant VMs, compiling a project I am working on or synthesizing an FPGA, the cores are my bottleneck. And I don't want to pay $1000+ for a CPU from Intel.How much of the x86 chip market do you think enthusiasts that would buy Zen make up? Do you think that market is large enough to make up for pissing off the OEMs?
We're being sold the idea that AMD, the company with near extinct market share, is being asked to delay launching an enthusiast product in order to make room for it in their high volume distribution channels.I see you guys talking OEMs
A chip that would barely have enough inventory to claim a Q4 2016 launch being delayed to Q1 2017 in order to feed the OEMs.
You were never going to get the chips earlier. Q4 2016, at best, would be a product launch with limited availability (a.k.a effective paper launch). The whole idea would be to get some headlines during 2016 winter holidays, not a spot under the Christmas tree.This is a good thing, no? I mean, not for us enthusiasts, it means we'll get the chip later, but for AMD's health, and the satisfaction of the OEMs, yes, right?
We're being sold the idea that AMD, the company with near extinct market share, is being asked to delay launching an enthusiast product in order to make room for it in their high volume distribution channels.
A chip that would barely have enough inventory to claim a Q4 2016 launch being delayed to Q1 2017 in order to feed the OEMs.
I mean its like aliens from outher space delays zen to 2017 because they dont like the color of the die
Still dont know a damn thing. Wouldnt we expect some beta silicon to leak up somewhere by now? Pretty die shots?
I understand the plausibility but I fail to see correlation. In the first stage they need Zen for the headlines, not the OEM sales.
Of course market demand is slow.
If the entire OEM supply chain is backed up with inventory of an old product they aren't going to want new product that obsoletes that inventory.
With all due respect to Kabylake, I don't see that product exciting many consumers versus Skylake. Maybe the codec support will be a big deal for that crowd? I dunno.
Yep. But from the sound of it, its not sampled to partners yet.
Yep. But from the sound of it, its not sampled to partners yet.
For AMD . . . Summit Ridge is everything. The tension is so thick that you can cut it with a knife. The entire company's future hangs on whether or not they can deliver with that product. You can hear a pin drop. It would genuinely shock me if anyone at AMD really gave a fig about devaluing some OEM's inventory of aging chips. .
my friend in India has ES of Zens, but it seems not the predprodution sample (same specs and revision as final retails)
Well tell him to run kraken 1.1, just 5 seconds of testing will tell us everything we need to know about Zen.
Anything using old AMD chips, yes there'll be a huge pick up and you imagine that AMD (and the OEM) would very happily scrap/fire sale it.
Anything using vaguely modern Intel chips? I don't see how either AMD or Intel could get an OEM to firesale that. Where would they get the leverage from?
The old stock will still be entirely competitive with something using Zen/Skylake. 15" mac book pro is still using Haswell for instance.
Goodness knows if it'll affect anything
I wouldnt be able to tell it apart from the art on my wallWould you buy such an ugly die?
You guys have to remember the purpose of amd is to move wafers for gf. Not profit not competing with intel. Lol.I just don't see Summit Ridge doing much to affect Haswell though (Haswell-E maybe). If it's a home run it'll devalue everything on the market to an extent, but again, it's 6c or 8c and nothing else, in limited release. If AMD releases 10k units or less on the DIY/boutique market, instead of Haswell getting significantly devalued, I'd expect the Summit Ridge chips to get price-jacked through the roof and sold out in most cases.
Broadwell-E might take a hit but cmon, that's what AMD is SUPPOSED to do. Compete! Eventually AMD has to do something right, and doing something right will devalue competing products, especially those which are price-inflated for want of credible competition.
I just don't see Summit Ridge doing much to affect Haswell though (Haswell-E maybe). If it's a home run it'll devalue everything on the market to an extent, but again, it's 6c or 8c and nothing else, in limited release. If AMD releases 10k units or less on the DIY/boutique market, instead of Haswell getting significantly devalued, I'd expect the Summit Ridge chips to get price-jacked through the roof and sold out in most cases.
Broadwell-E might take a hit but cmon, that's what AMD is SUPPOSED to do. Compete! Eventually AMD has to do something right, and doing something right will devalue competing products, especially those which are price-inflated for want of credible competition.
That and also binning 6-core and possibly 4-core chips for desktop first makes sense.I always asumed the only reason zen goes to desktop first was because server needed more time for validation?