This will be perfect for running a Virtual machine inside of a virtual machine. To achieve os ception.
I think some people are overreacting. This processsor should be fine for games, more to the point Processor performance isn't a substantial bottleneck games. Heck a AMD phenom ii or Intel Core 2 Quad can run most games no problem. If what you do with a computer is gaming and not much else, this Processor won't be bad it will be overkill. Moreover games in the future will be able to better utilize multi threaded processors and AMD processors thanks to the fact that most games are also on consoles which use AMD cpus+gpus.
While I do sometimes like to play games, computers aren't just for video games. Processors also do other tasks. This processor will be great for video editing, professional audio production, photo editing, video conversion, running virtual machines, Computer aided design/3d rendering or programming/software development. This is also good for multi tasking. Compiling or building applications from source or through an SDK is super CPU intensive. Linux will be able to properly utilize those RYZEN cores to their full potential.
I am sure a lot gamers will buy this but thr architecture will have its biggest impact on workstations.
winception?This will be perfect for running a Virtual machine inside of a virtual machine. To achieve os ception.
What is ridiculous is the prices of mb plus cpu for the Intel hedt line.From which decade. Watch Dogs 2 will melt those old chips. My 5930K dipped to 40s/50s downtown . . . final retail Ryzen samples will need to at least match a 6700K at stock otherwise AMD will still be behind Intel which is ridiculous after 10 years.
The 8350 is matching the 6600 in new games. 6+ cores are the future.From which decade. Watch Dogs 2 will melt those old chips. My 5930K dipped to 40s/50s downtown . . . final retail Ryzen samples will need to at least match a 6700K at stock otherwise AMD will still be behind Intel which is ridiculous after 10 years.
Quad channel memory makes those boards very expensive, as it requires more layers, which adds a lot of cost. On a side note, I was glad to see amd didn't go that route.What is ridiculous is the prices of mb plus cpu for the Intel hedt line.
Personally looking forward to 8c bwe like perf at half price.
And to watch price plummet of i7 and hedt line.
Yep. I seems to me Intel needs to move at least a 6c cpu into dual channel mb i7 segment asap. If not a 8c...Quad channel memory makes those boards very expensive, as it requires more layers, which adds a lot of cost. On a side note, I was glad to see amd didn't go that route.
The cpus, aside from the base 6 core, is the real ripoff. There is a good $500 intel monopoly tax on the 6900k.
The 6800k is reasonable at $400.Yep. I seems to me Intel needs to move at least a 6c cpu into dual channel mb i7 segment asap. If not a 8c...
I mean seriously. I7 will probably look so old school and unattractive in 1 months for enthusiast. I hope a lot of people will buy i7 though lol.
And yeaa the 6c seems most resonably of the lineup but the mb is still damn costly. It seems to me its not only mb layers but also markup. But does the layers add up exponentially to bom?
Idk why ppl even buy anything above the base 6 core. Linus did a video awhile back that showed the additional pcie lanes on the 5830k did NOTHING, even for triple gpu setups. Pcie 3 has so much bandwidth that 8x isn't a bottleneck.
What is ridiculous is the prices of mb plus cpu for the Intel hedt line.
Personally looking forward to 8c bwe like perf at half price.
And to watch price plummet of i7 and hedt line.
They will have an 8 core for $350, and a black edition for $500.Maybe the extra lanes are more for workstations.
You'll have to trust me on this one, the Ryzen 8 core won't be half the price of the 6900K. Even if it can't clock much higher than 3.4-3.5. I don't know why people think otherwise. My guess is probably $700 although it could be more esp initially. The 6 and 4 core prices depend on the clocks I think. Take Polaris for instance... if the 480 was competitive with like the 1070 it would have been priced as such and not $200-250.
The 6 core is probably going to be the best deal.
From which decade. Watch Dogs 2 will melt those old chips. My 5930K dipped to 40s/50s downtown . . . final retail Ryzen samples will need to at least match a 6700K at stock otherwise AMD will still be behind Intel which is ridiculous after 10 years.
Quad channel memory makes those boards very expensive, as it requires more layers, which adds a lot of cost. On a side note, I was glad to see amd didn't go that route.
Linus did a video awhile back that showed the additional pcie lanes on the 5830k did NOTHING, even for triple gpu setups. Pcie 3 has so much bandwidth that 8x isn't a bottleneck.
Of course, the ignorant consumers will buy intel anyways, but what can you do?
I bet this also. And this is betting timeThey will have an 8 core for $350, and a black edition for $500.
It will dominate the i7, while the 6 core for $250-300 dominates the i5.
And you can take that to the bank!
Of course, the ignorant consumers will buy intel anyways, but what can you do?
Intel fanboys be like, muh slightly lower framerates. AMD is complete failure because I get slightly less performance in one particular task without regards to anything else a computer does.
I bet this also. And this is betting time
The market above 500 usd for a cpu is minor. Bwe 8c will probably edge it out anyways.
Why not go for i3 i5 and i7 segment and the lowest end hedt?
What is sold at 6850 and above levels? Secondly 6900 and 6950 will just be faster and therefore take that market.
I asume 6950 will go to 1200 usd and 6900 to 800 usd then. Tons of margins still. Intel is just 2 years back margin wise at most.
We need to see prices and die size but it seems to me Intels old names will come under some pressure.
What enthusiast will buy an i5 at say 220 usd and get 4 threads when 350 gets you 16?
A lot of consumers dont care and b2b is cruising on unaffected for most part but still the lead user and first movers will change over night.
its just the continued rear guard action.
Zen's performance shouldn't be unexpected. I pointed it out many time to the "in crowd" that if you actually look at bulldozer there is plenty of good stuff in their just the actual target and trade offs they made were wrong. Then Zen comes along and looks to have taken a different approach to those decisions points but you still have the evolution of internal components from both the cat and con cores.
That's what I think. Zen pricing will be in the ballpark of it's performance, but will be less than Intel.I'll bet you $500 that the 8 core is above $350 (american). It will be a discount to the 6900k, but like a 10 to 20 percent discount, not a 70% discount. Zero chance anything near that happens.
You still don't get it... The 6900k isn't worth $1000! Intel charges fanboys a $1000 for it, but it's not worth that, just because the monopoly charges that much. Those CPUs EASILY have a $500 intel monopoly tax on them!I'll bet you $500 that the 8 core is above $350 (american). It will be a discount to the 6900k, but like a 10 to 20 percent discount, not a 70% discount. Zero chance anything near that happens.
You still don't get it... The 6900k isn't worth $1000! Intel charges fanboys a $1000 for it, but it's not worth that, just because the monopoly charges that much. Those CPUs EASILY have a $500 intel monopoly tax on them!
No, I am not. Intel won't drop it's prices, because their monopoly controls the market share and the mind share.Then Intel can easily drop the price by that much, negating AMD's advantage, right?
That's what you are claiming.
You still don't get it... The 6900k isn't worth $1000! Intel charges fanboys a $1000 for it, but it's not worth that, just because the monopoly charges that much. Those CPUs EASILY have a $500 intel monopoly tax on them!
Don't believe me? Intel's history is the proof! Ivy-e to haswell-e
ivy 6 core $1000 -> Haswell 6 core $400
I'm sad that they didn't, or that they didn't leave the option out there. Quad channel would have been nice for APUs like Raven Ridge if they don't go HBM2.
It can be a bottleneck if you start using NVMe SSDs though.
Buy AMD, that's what.
I think you are the one that misunderstands. Trying to go after asinine margins like intel when you have no market share won't work. If no one is going to buy it, then it doesn't matter how great the margins are.so it's a bet? We can use paypal for the transfer. I mean, I get what you're saying, but it represents a fundamental misunderstanding of economics. A thing is worth what people will pay for it. The cost to create is largely irrelevant. AMD has been bleeding cash for years. If they have a product that can drive a strong margin, they would be stupid not to price accordingly.