Zen hasn't taped out yet

[Arachnotronic]

GlobalFoundries November 5 2015.



You dont tape out just once but multiple times the same product.
Also, server SKUs need one or two more Quarters for validation over Desktop SKUs.

Probably GPUs.

 

[ShintaiDK]

GlobalFoundries November 5 2015.

What relevance does it have since we know its not Zen?

 

[AtenRa]

Probably GPUs.

I find it highly unlikely they first taped out GPUs on GloFo and not CPUs.

Or are you suggesting next gen AMD 2016 GPUs will be made on GloFos 14nm LPP and not on TSMC ??? Because we already know they will only made two different dies this time.

 

[AtenRa]

What relevance does it have since we know its not Zen?

And what is it then ?? GPUs ??? Console APUs ???? ARM CPUs ???

 

[Abwx]

GlobalFoundries November 5 2015.



You dont tape out just once but multiple times the same product.
Also, server SKUs need one or two more Quarters for validation over Desktop SKUs.

The same people that remind us of the WSA that AMD has with GF will of course negate that it s in AMD interest to fab their APU/CPUs at GF like they logicaly did at this point, instead you ll had denial such as :

Probably GPUs.

Lol, they never fabbed any GPU at GF, but hey, no need of past history this time...

 

[ShintaiDK]

And what is it then ?? GPUs ??? Console APUs ???? ARM CPUs ???

You should know since you brought it into the discussion. But you dont.

 

[Sweepr]

So you are comparin two different scenarios, indeed all your fud go in the same direction, that is the one of an Intel stock holder that hope that the competition does no do well, this say the confidence in Intel s ability to design a competitive solution to face AMD s next design...

So far you have provided zero evidence about your (false) claim that Zen taped out months ago. Throwing 'ad hominem' doesn't help.

Lol, they never fabbed any GPU at GF, but hey, no need of past history this time...

Right, if they never fabbed GPUs at GF it certainly means they never will. Facepalm.

 

[Arachnotronic]

And when was the deinitive 32nm process available..?.

In 2010..?.

Wasnt Llano released only in mid 2011..?.

So you are comparin two different scenarios, indeed all your fud go in the same direction, that is the one of an Intel stock holder that hope that the competition does no do well, this say the confidence in Intel s ability to design a competitive solution to face AMD s next design...

I have a lot of confidence in Intel's ability to design competitive solutions. That's why I own Intel stock.

Seriously this is a ridiculous argument. If I felt that AMD were a "threat" to my Intel position, I could log into my brokerage account, hit the "sell" button on my shares, and walk away with very fat capital gains at long-term tax rate.

I could even take the profits and buy AMD stock in this case.

Instead, I choose to hold my Intel shares. I put my money where my mouth is and the fact that I haven't yet cashed in my Intel stock actually says that I have a lot of confidence in Intel's ability to execute against AMD.

 

[Burpo]

Oh jeeze.

That AMD koolaid eh? Must be good..

 

[Techhog]

You should know since you brought it into the discussion. But you dont.

This is a clever way of saying, "I have no idea." Impressive.

 

[Abwx]

So far you have provided zero evidence about your (false) claim that Zen taped out months ago. Throwing 'ad hominem' doesn't help.

The ad hominem started one page ago, and certainly not from me.

That said it would be suicidal to not get the CPUs/APUs being produced first at GF given their WSA constraints, that s why GF tape outs announcements are likely to be about CPUs/APUs exclusively.

Right, if they never fabbed GPUs at GF it certainly means they never will. Facepalm.

Apparently they will stick with TSMC for GPUs in a first stage, this has the advantage to tame any supply issue that could originate from GF.

 

[mahoshojo]

Unless the documents lie, Orochi (Bulldozer) took almost exactly a year (Sept. / Oct. 2010 to 12th Oct 2011) from the tape-out (of OR-A0) to product release (OR-B2). Without forgetting that they had to do four major stepping versions, several minor versions and three different platforms (AM3+, C32 & G34). With Zen they will be doing just one platform, initially.

Actually dec 2009. I saw the whole gds wallpaper in AMD's Sunnyvale office.

 

[Abwx]

I have a lot of confidence in Intel's ability to design competitive solutions. That's why I own Intel stock.

Seriously this is a ridiculous argument. If I felt that AMD were a "threat" to my Intel position, I could log into my brokerage account, hit the "sell" button on my shares, and walk away with very fat capital gains at long-term tax rate.

I could even take the profits and buy AMD stock in this case.

Instead, I choose to hold my Intel shares. I put my money where my mouth is and the fact that I haven't yet cashed in my Intel stock actually says that I have a lot of confidence in Intel's ability to execute against AMD.

To get back on topic i ll point that it s only the third time that a statement from Devinder Kumar has been wrongly interpreted by the usual suspects...

 

[krumme]

What an excellent day for the sadomasochistic mob

Zen is delayed. Fantastic. The 200 usd to enable core whatever smt remains as only option for 95% enthusiasts. Rejoice !

 

[jpiniero]

End of 2016 still seems reasonable for a paper launch.. but yeah, it won't be in any volume until 2017. Which is what AMD is saying.

And what is it then ?? GPUs ??? Console APUs ???? ARM CPUs ???

It'd have to be the consoles.

 

[Dresdenboy]

What an excellent day for the sadomasochistic mob

Zen is delayed. Fantastic. The 200 usd to enable core whatever smt remains as only option for 95% enthusiasts. Rejoice !

So which production ramp in 2016 is Kumar talking about?

 

[Justinbaileyman]

I'm at a loss for words and this thread kinda ruined my day. Is there still going to be the Apu's released in march for AM4 or did that just go up in smoke to?

 

[Dresdenboy]

Actually dec 2009. I saw the whole gds wallpaper in AMD's Sunnyvale office.

Were you close enough to see whether it was 45 or 32 nm?

 

[moonbogg]

So Skylake-E then. That is going to be a beautiful and glorious day. That day when my newegg package arrives and I open the box to find beautiful, shiny, well marketed Intel products that have that luminescent glow of high performance. Its blinding and beautiful. Do you guys fondle and smell your new high performance electronics products? I sure do.

 

[witeken]

So Skylake-E then. That is going to be a beautiful and glorious day. That day when my newegg package arrives and I open the box to find beautiful, shiny, well marketed Intel products that have that luminescent glow of high performance. Its blinding and beautiful. Do you guys fondle and smell your new high performance electronics products? I sure do.

I'm sure many people will get their share of adrenaline and excitement when their expensive 10C20T Skylake arrives...

 

[Phynaz]

You mean I'll be using an expensive and fast Core i7-6950K in 2016?!

Ouch, that stung :sneaky:

 

[Phynaz]

Holy crap, how can someone be so emotionally invested in AMD that they believe in a forum dream more than they believe the company CFO??

Zen doesn't exist. Check back in a year.

 

[VR Enthusiast]

1 year is a best case I know. With this in mind Zen isn't coming before mid-2015. With the typical delays even this target is optimistic.

Yes I'm quite sure you're right and we won't see Zen before mid-2015.

 

[eternalone]

Zen was never real??? I have been lied to, and am not happy.

 

[VR Enthusiast]

None of what Kumar said makes sense and flies in the face of everything Su has said up till this point.

From Q2 to Q3 Su has talked about a dual tapeout (Q2) and multiple tapeouts over both foundries (Q3). It just doesn't make sense for Zen not to have taped out.

Alt: Kumar is talking about Zen APU. That's about the only thing that makes sense.