Review Zen4 3D review thread

[Hitman928]

Thread to focus on Zen4 3D cache CPUs.

New gaming king (as most expected), though the 2 CCD 7950x3d does seem to have issues with some games, more than I would expect of it getting stuck on the "wrong" CCD. I imagine it will get cleared up with subsequent updates but we'll see. Simulated 7800X3D showed no such issues and overall has the gaming lead (real product might be slightly slower though depending on in game clocks).

Computerbase also has the 7950x3d as the gaming champ. They (and TPU) also show that efficiency while gaming is extremely good.

Ryzen 9 7950X3D im Test gegen 5800X3D und 13900K(S)

Zen 4 3D ist da. Im Test erweist sich AMDs Ryzen 9 7950X3D gegen 7950X, 5800X3D und Core i9-13900K(S) als schnell und effizient.

www.computerbase.de

Just to toot my own horn a little, it landed spot on with my prediction of fastest gaming CPU but not significantly so over a 13900k on average, but with much higher efficiency.

Additional reviews, will add more later.

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D processor review

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AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review - Best of Both Worlds

The Ryzen 9 7950X3D is the spearhead of the AMD Zen 4 X3D lineup. In our performance review we test AMD's new 16-core flagship with dozens of applications and 14 games at up to 4K, to see whether AMD can take the performance crown from Intel, how power consumption is affected, and what can be...

www.techpowerup.com

The AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review: AMD's Fastest Gaming Processor

www.anandtech.com

Gamers Nexus

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Linux Performance Review - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review: AMD Retakes Gaming Crown with 3D V-Cache

AMD takes a bite out of Raptor Lake.

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AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D review: Team Red retakes the lead with its best CPU ever

The AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D is the best gaming CPU there is, and it's not close

www.techradar.com

 

[Thunder 57]

I'm aware. I went back and forth (perhaps around in circles would be more accurate) with @Carfax83 on many occasions. For someone who said he enjoyed debating hardware he sure picked up his ball and went home in a hurry as soon as his narratives fell apart.

BVH structures, BVH stuctures, BVH structures.

I'm not superstitious but perhaps that will summon him back. I'm not gonna lie, the shtick was annoying but also kind of entertaining.

I better STFU now before @DAPUNISHER punts my ball into the cheap seats for being off topic. But then again that would probably also be entertaining and hilarious for the rest of you.

Yea, he was a troglodyte. Clearly an Intel shill. Still though, I can't believe he got all pissy and cried and left the forums. Did we really upset him that badly? Apparantly we did.

 

[A///]

Yea, he was a troglodyte. Clearly an Intel shill. Still though, I can't believe he got all pissy and cried and left the forums. Did we really upset him that badly? Apparantly we did.

Calling someone an Intel shill is not nice mate. What you mean to say is Intel employees astroturfing. If you think sites like this aren't filled to the brim with Intel, AMD, Qualcomm, Broadcom, Apple, etc whatever employees you're fooling yourself.

Astroturfing is done on either company time at work or at home. I've done both and was paid extra for both. Morals and ethics take a back seat when money is involved.

 

[biostud]

Apparently there will be price cuts:

Error Lists Incorrect Ryzen 9 7950X3D Pricing on AMD Website (Updated)

Scraper scrapes the wrong thing.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[A///]

Apparently there will be price cuts:

Error Lists Incorrect Ryzen 9 7950X3D Pricing on AMD Website (Updated)

Scraper scrapes the wrong thing.

www.tomshardware.com

Haha! Someone on here kept edging me to buy the 7950X3D for my main build or go with 4-5 of them to replace my Intel setups. The expense would be too much. If this slash holds and goes further down by June's end I may opt for those over the regular chips because why not. The frame development is slightly faster but there's a noticeable reduction in power usage over the normal parts.

Thanks to @igor_kavinski I may have found the cheapest but decent case to house them in. B650 boards will be good enough I hope for the auxiliary systems.

 

[Joe NYC]

Apparently there will be price cuts:

Error Lists Incorrect Ryzen 9 7950X3D Pricing on AMD Website (Updated)

Scraper scrapes the wrong thing.

www.tomshardware.com

I think that article is wrong. I don't see this reflected in the AMD store, only a listing of products. When you click on "Buy from AMD.com" it has the MSRP.

 

[A///]

I think that article is wrong. I don't see this reflected in the AMD store, only a listing of products. When you click on "Buy from AMD.com" it has the MSRP.

"There will be"

 

[biostud]

I think that article is wrong. I don't see this reflected in the AMD store, only a listing of products. When you click on "Buy from AMD.com" it has the MSRP.

It might be, just a heads up for those about to pull the trigger.

 

[A///]

It might be, just a heads up for those about to pull the trigger.

My memory is failing me but they did something similar with the regular Zen 4 processors around Cyber Monday or Christmas under the guise that it was a temporary sale but kept the new prices there. Now that they're doing it again with the X3D models it'll push the regular model pricing further down. It's a good way to push on Intel once more. With DDR5 and NAND prices in free fall right now is the perfect time for either company to heavily reduce prices to spur sales if any. I'll see where this is in a month and pull the trigger then. There's room for them to cut. I'm not sure what the pricing on the 7800X3D will be like in 30-90 days. If they reduce the price on that and can meet demand it's goodnight sweet intel. That Raptorlake Refresh better be able to cook you dinner and bake you a pie to get any attention from consumers.

 

[AtenRa]

I have been looking at the 16c/32t side. I forget what the 3950 was, but I think $800. The 5950x was definitely $800 Then the 7950x was $700 and now its $550. A whole different picture.

Yes we had a reduction of $100 (MSRP) in the 16C 32T with the 7950X but no reduction in the mainstream CPUs of 6C and 8Cores where most of the people buy.
This is stagnation, we dont get more from the same price with each new generation but we are offered the same 8-cores again and again at the same price.

 

[biostud]

Maybe the price cuts are targeted the regular 7900X and 7950X, which would be more in line with their actual prices atm.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1644121761712074752

 

[A///]

I'm not buying that. The prices have been the same for months with the 13900K wavering high or low during that time. This price cut is not a price cut but a confirmation of already cut prices. No matter how hard they cut the AM5 low end it's not worth it because the Intel gear is better.

 

[Aapje]

Whinging about why now, what could have been, how much it cost, is all sour grapes. It's like children being bent they can't have ice cream until they eat dinner. They may sulk and get salty, but they still eat the ice cream later.

I don't see how it is sour grapes to just talk about the seemingly rather obvious facts. The 7800X3D is obviously no harder to produce than the 7950X3D and makes more sense for most people. It is pretty obvious that delaying it drives people to the more expensive product that is less suitable for them. So why not call them out for anti-consumer behavior?

And the huge price drop for the 5800X3D shows the level of price gouging that went on at first. You have to be pretty naive to think that the same scenario is not playing out this time. You also only need basic math to recognize that the extra cost of the 5800X3D above the 5800X, which is the maximum extra cost of adding the 3D-cache, is substantially lower than the price premium they ask for 7800X3D.

You seem to take pride in the kind of sarcasm that is indistinguisable from being an ignorant AMD fanboy that tries to discourage people from talking about facts that are unpleasant to AMD by mocking them, which IMO is just trolling.

 

[biostud]

I don't see how it is sour grapes to just talk about the seemingly rather obvious facts. The 7800X3D is obviously no harder to produce than the 7950X3D and makes more sense for most people. It is pretty obvious that delaying it drives people to the more expensive product that is less suitable for them. So why not call them out for anti-consumer behavior?

And the huge price drop for the 5800X3D shows the level of price gouging that went on at first. You have to be pretty naive to think that the same scenario is not playing out this time. You also only need basic math to recognize that the extra cost of the 5800X3D above the 5800X, which is the maximum extra cost of adding the 3D-cache, is substantially lower than the price premium they ask for 7800X3D.

You seem to take pride in the kind of sarcasm that is indistinguisable from being an ignorant AMD fanboy that tries to discourage people from talking about facts that are unpleasant to AMD by mocking them, which IMO is just trolling.

I agree, but at the same time as a consumer you have the possibility to choose exactly the CPU you want. I have no problem with premium products having a premium price, as long as it is possible to choose a product with a better price/performance ratio. Also I have no problem with products launching at high prices, as there are always some who are willing to pay extra at launch. As long as there is a functional competitive market, any company should do what they can to maximize profits. The problems arise when the market is not competitive, then we as consumers are the loosers.

 

[A///]

Stagnation, true stagnation can only happen if AMD charged the same price generation over generation with next to no improvement. There has been improvement. And unless Intel can offer a competitor to the 7800X3D or even the old 5800X3D then why would AMD charge less when they know they control the segment of that particular processor design style?

 

[Joe NYC]

I don't see how it is sour grapes to just talk about the seemingly rather obvious facts. The 7800X3D is obviously no harder to produce than the 7950X3D and makes more sense for most people. It is pretty obvious that delaying it drives people to the more expensive product that is less suitable for them. So why not call them out for anti-consumer behavior?

And the huge price drop for the 5800X3D shows the level of price gouging that went on at first. You have to be pretty naive to think that the same scenario is not playing out this time. You also only need basic math to recognize that the extra cost of the 5800X3D above the 5800X, which is the maximum extra cost of adding the 3D-cache, is substantially lower than the price premium they ask for 7800X3D.

You seem to take pride in the kind of sarcasm that is indistinguisable from being an ignorant AMD fanboy that tries to discourage people from talking about facts that are unpleasant to AMD by mocking them, which IMO is just trolling.

The difference is that 5800x3d is a 1 year old product and 7800x3d is 1 day old product.

 

[Aapje]

I agree, but at the same time as a consumer you have the possibility to choose exactly the CPU you want. I have no problem with premium products having a premium price, as long as it is possible to choose a product with a better price/performance ratio. Also I have no problem with products launching at high prices, as there are always some who are willing to pay extra at launch. As long as there is a functional competitive market, any company should do what they can to maximize profits. The problems arise when the market is not competitive, then we as consumers are Redacted over.

I don't mind if things that are very expensive to produce, or for which there is a small market, are sold for premium prices, but 3D V-cache actually seems relatively inexpensive and there is a huge market for it. Intel seems to have dropped the ball on that front, so there is actually no competition for this specific kind of product, a CPU with stacked cache.

Intel's chosen solution for their stagnating performance/watt is e-cores, which work pretty well for productivity, but very poorly for gaming.

High launch prices that are gradually dropped are actually typical for a market where new products are more attractive than old products (which can be due to innovation, fashion or something else), but where there isn't strong competition. Then sellers can capture more of the consumer surplus by gradually lowering prices. For example, let's say that there are two buyers in a simplified example:
- Bob is willing to pay $600 for a certain CPU
- Jane is willing to pay $500

Then if they price at $599 at first, Bob will buy it, having a consumer surplus of $1, which is the price he is willing to pay minus what he actually pays. It's too expensive for Jane, so she will wait. Then if they lower the price to $499, Jane will buy it, also having a $1 surplus. So the seller then leaves merely $2 dollars of surplus on the table, money that the consumers would be willing to spend, but didn't have to.

Yet if there is strong competition that drives prices down lower to the actual costs to make, the price might start off at $499 right away. In that case, Bob has a $101 surplus and Jane still that $1. So the seller then leaves $102 dollars of surplus on the table, thanks to a competitive market.

Essentially, from an economic perspective, the more competitive the market, the less the price depends on what people are willing to pay and the more it depends on the cost to produce.

Anyway, I think that the competitiveness of the CPU-market tends to be greatly exaggerated since we've had much worse years.

Please do not quote profanity.
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[A///]

Your B+J example is good but we're currently at the point where at the top end to mid top end both companies offer competitive products within a hair split difference. The roles change more as you work your way down the totem pole and AMD's pricing is disgusting and Intel's is better and a better product. The 7800X3D throws a wrench into all that for gaming purposes where it'll shine in titles that can use the cache effectively. Prosumer software suite performance is a concern but people buying at that lower level aren't using those softwares for the most part.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I don't see how it is sour grapes to just talk about the seemingly rather obvious facts. The 7800X3D is obviously no harder to produce than the 7950X3D and makes more sense for most people. It is pretty obvious that delaying it drives people to the more expensive product that is less suitable for them. So why not call them out for anti-consumer behavior?

And the huge price drop for the 5800X3D shows the level of price gouging that went on at first. You have to be pretty naive to think that the same scenario is not playing out this time. You also only need basic math to recognize that the extra cost of the 5800X3D above the 5800X, which is the maximum extra cost of adding the 3D-cache, is substantially lower than the price premium they ask for 7800X3D.

You seem to take pride in the kind of sarcasm that is indistinguisable from being an ignorant AMD fanboy that tries to discourage people from talking about facts that are unpleasant to AMD by mocking them, which IMO is just trolling.

You broke 2 rules here, but I won't report you.

1. Fanboy is a term not allowed here. It is an ad hominem attack, the absolute weakest of all the debating fallacies. Do better.
2. Accusing someone of trolling is an ad hominem attack. The absolutely weakest of all the debating fallacies. Do better. It is also a rules violation. Furthermore: False attribution of my motivations is not doing you any favors here either. Do that again and you and I are going to have a problem.

I will continue to share my perspective in the manner I choose. So long as it is within the rules. You cherry picked my reply, here's the relevant part you left out so you could take potshots at me personally. Here it is -

You mean with pure sarcasm? I do it because everyone grabs their pitchforks and torches way too easily. The internet outrage machine can suck it. I say cry harder. It won't change anything these companies do in the future. Intel and Nvidia are infamous for these kind of shenanigans. As the saying goes- if you can't beat them, join them.

The reason it rarely works is the products end up being winners. Which means many will buy them, even if they have to hold their nose when they do it.

I am tired of the constant whinging over tactics used by all of these companies. As the above clearly states. The whinging does nothing to advance the discussions. It only serves to obfuscate information and discussion of the products themselves.

I strongly suggest this be the final offtopic reply between us. You want to take it up with me, shoot me a PM. Otherwise get back to discussing the product you accused me of trying to prevent the discussion of.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Getting the thread back on track. LOL at KitGuru's thumbnail - "We told you to wait!"

Gotta love Leo's unvarnished style. Well, you don't have to, but I do. I had seen the beatdown in FarCry 6 and Tomb Raider, add Borderlands 3 to the list of games that the 7800X 3D merks the other flagship in. That said, any of the tested CPUs are great gamers. It's all bragging rights/Halo effect as you all know.

 

[maddie]

Yes we had a reduction of $100 (MSRP) in the 16C 32T with the 7950X but no reduction in the mainstream CPUs of 6C and 8Cores where most of the people buy.
This is stagnation, we dont get more from the same price with each new generation but we are offered the same 8-cores again and again at the same price.

The same 8-cores again and again at the same price? When we only had single core CPUs, did this reasoning still apply?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The same 8-cores again and again at the same price? When we only had single core CPUs, did this reasoning still apply?

Excellent point. People want to wish inflation adjusted value away to the cornfield too. But you can't. $449 now isn't the same as it was just a couple of years ago. So while it's the same MSRP, is it really? IIRC AMD was charging $1000 for the first 1GHz single core CPU. The CPI inflation calculator says that's $1,718.10 now.

 

[A///]

IIRC AMD was charging $1000 for the first 1GHz single core CPU

I remember my dumb self wanting to buy it. But I do recall there being more expensive AMD models. Those were all hard to find due to how many people were buying them. I ended up with a furnace instead.

 

[Makaveli]

I remember my dumb self wanting to buy it. But I do recall there being more expensive AMD models. Those were all hard to find due to how many people were buying them. I ended up with a furnace instead.

I don't remember there being anything in the stack more expensive than the 1 Ghz Thunderbird cpu.

 

[A///]

I don't remember there being anything in the stack more expensive than the 1 Ghz Thunderbird cpu.

It's been so long that I remember looking at higher prices. Some of the then existing stores would charge higher than msrp for certain stuff that was new and rad at the time.

 

[Ranulf]

Excellent point. People want to wish inflation adjusted value away to the cornfield too. But you can't. $449 now isn't the same as it was just a couple of years ago. So while it's the same MSRP, is it really? IIRC AMD was charging $1000 for the first 1GHz single core CPU. The CPI inflation calculator says that's $1,718.10 now.

Well, yes...wish away because that is what many have done for years when inflation was no where near what it is now but everyone in the PC realm blamed it for every increase to justify purchases. The value of a 5800x3d dropped 33% in less than a year.