Review Zen4 3D review thread

[Hitman928]

Thread to focus on Zen4 3D cache CPUs.

New gaming king (as most expected), though the 2 CCD 7950x3d does seem to have issues with some games, more than I would expect of it getting stuck on the "wrong" CCD. I imagine it will get cleared up with subsequent updates but we'll see. Simulated 7800X3D showed no such issues and overall has the gaming lead (real product might be slightly slower though depending on in game clocks).

Computerbase also has the 7950x3d as the gaming champ. They (and TPU) also show that efficiency while gaming is extremely good.

Ryzen 9 7950X3D im Test gegen 5800X3D und 13900K(S)

Zen 4 3D ist da. Im Test erweist sich AMDs Ryzen 9 7950X3D gegen 7950X, 5800X3D und Core i9-13900K(S) als schnell und effizient.

www.computerbase.de

Just to toot my own horn a little, it landed spot on with my prediction of fastest gaming CPU but not significantly so over a 13900k on average, but with much higher efficiency.

Additional reviews, will add more later.

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D processor review

We review the new Ryzen 9 7950X3D processor from AMD. The much-anticipated processor series comes with an added cache that will help predominantly with gaming. This processor series was designed for ...

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AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review - Best of Both Worlds

The Ryzen 9 7950X3D is the spearhead of the AMD Zen 4 X3D lineup. In our performance review we test AMD's new 16-core flagship with dozens of applications and 14 games at up to 4K, to see whether AMD can take the performance crown from Intel, how power consumption is affected, and what can be...

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The AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review: AMD's Fastest Gaming Processor

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Gamers Nexus

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Linux Performance Review - Phoronix

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AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review: AMD Retakes Gaming Crown with 3D V-Cache

AMD takes a bite out of Raptor Lake.

www.tomshardware.com

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D review: Team Red retakes the lead with its best CPU ever

The AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D is the best gaming CPU there is, and it's not close

www.techradar.com

 

[biostud]

6 years ago Intel had Core i5 7600K at $242, AMD brought Ryzen 1600X at $249 and completely destroyed the i5

AMD Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6 GHz Review

The Ryzen 5 1600X is AMD's flagship Ryzen 5 processor model. It comes at an affordable $250, with a base clock of 3.6 GHz. Thanks to AMD XFR, it will boost up to 4.1 GHz, which helps gain single-threaded performance over Intel's offerings. It looks like Core i5-7600K is in trouble.

www.techpowerup.com

Lets see what AMD brought this year with Ryzen 7600X at MSRP of $300 vs the Intel Core i5 12600K @ MSRP of $320

AMD Ryzen 5 7600X Review - Affordable Zen 4 for Gaming

Ryzen 5 7600X is the company's most affordable offering for the Zen 4 family. Our review of the 7600X confirms that this new $300 CPU offers huge performance gains over Zen 3, and can even beat the Ryzen 5800X3D in gaming. In applications, the 7600X is faster than the Intel Core i9-11900K.

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8-cores at $450 in 2023 is not progression people

If the 12 and 16 core and the 13900K did not exist, I would agree. You have the possibility to buy really powerful MT CPUs for desktops so the progression is there.

My reference for no progression is the 2700K to 11900K eara, where each generation brought so little extra performance at the same price. It is simply not the same CPU market we see today.

 

[coercitiv]

Lets see what AMD brought this year with Ryzen 7600X at MSRP of $300 vs the Intel Core i5 12600K @ MSRP of $320

• You ask for progress over 6 years.
• I show you AMD provided 140% more performance in the value segment over 6 years.
• You then compare with another strong & modern product from the competitor and conclude... there is no progress!?!

8-cores at $450 in 2023 is not progression people

Fine, we're doing this one too.

• The 1700X launched 6 years ago for $400. Adjusted for inflation, that price would mean $490 today.
• Today the 7800X3D is available for $450 and offers 150% more gaming performance than 2700X. Add 7-8% to get relative rating versus 1700X, and we have a final gain of ~170% more gaming performance.
• Still today the 7900X is available for less than $450 and offers the same ~170% gains in Application workloads over 1700X.

All one has to do as a consumer is choose between an 8-core tuned for gaming and a 12-core with better productivity performance, for less money than the cost of a 1700X when adjusted for inflation.

 

[AtenRa]

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[Mopetar]

My reference for no progression is the 2700K to 11900K eara, where each generation brought so little extra performance at the same price. It is simply not the same CPU market we see today.

At least they Intel started offering more than 4 cores with Coffee Lake. There was a decade long period where the core count didn't increase at all for regular desktop users.

I can't really take claims of AMD stagnation as seriously when Zen 2 bumped up the number of cores on offer to 16 for regular desktop users.

It's been about three and a half years since we saw an increase in core count for the top consumer desktop chip from AMD. Given that Intel is actually competitive in MT workloads, I expect that we'll see AMD move beyond 16 cores by Zen 6 at the very latest.

If AMD feels enough pressure they could probably release something based on the Zen 4c chiplets being used in Bergamo for f there were a performance edge to be gained from doing so. I don't think we'll see something like this until Zen 5, but this is the most competitive the market has been in a long time.

 

[Markfw]

At least they Intel started offering more than 4 cores with Coffee Lake. There was a decade long period where the core count didn't increase at all for regular desktop users.

I can't really take claims of AMD stagnation as seriously when Zen 2 bumped up the number of cores on offer to 16 for regular desktop users.

It's been about three and a half years since we saw an increase in core count for the top consumer desktop chip from AMD. Given that Intel is actually competitive in MT workloads, I expect that we'll see AMD move beyond 16 cores by Zen 6 at the very latest.

If AMD feels enough pressure they could probably release something based on the Zen 4c chiplets being used in Bergamo for f there were a performance edge to be gained from doing so. I don't think we'll see something like this until Zen 5, but this is the most competitive the market has been in a long time.

All I can say is that even at 142 watt, Zen 4 7950x is still like 50% faster than a 5950x, so its almost like 50% more cores. And if the software uses avx-512, then its even better (I do use that on some things)

 

[scannall]

Excellent point. People want to wish inflation adjusted value away to the cornfield too. But you can't. $449 now isn't the same as it was just a couple of years ago. So while it's the same MSRP, is it really? IIRC AMD was charging $1000 for the first 1GHz single core CPU. The CPI inflation calculator says that's $1,718.10 now.

Heh, back in about 1982 I bought a 10 meg hard drive for my Apple ][e that was running a BBS at the time. It was a steal at $1500. About $4676 now.... But I did have 4 lines on 1200 baud modems. ;-)

 

[scannall]

Purely from a gaming perspective there are four processors (and maybe the bastard 7900X3D) that is in the top tier 13900K, 13700K, 7950X3D and 7800X3D, and unless you do work that take good use of MT then you really only should consider the 13700K and the 7800X3D, as the gaming performance of all these processors are really close. Obviously if you play games that specifically favors any of the two designs, you should take that into consideration. But outside benchmarks you would probably never notice.

If all you buy are mid-tier graphics cards than anything from AMD is fine. And anything not Celeron or Pentium from Intel is perfectly fine as well. Just get the best base for the least money and spend the rest on a graphics card.

 

[Markfw]

Heh, back in about 1982 I bought a 10 meg hard drive for my Apple ][e that was running a BBS at the time. It was a steal at %1500. About $4676 now.... But I did have 4 lines on 1200 baud modems. ;-)

I hate to keep going off-topic, but somewhere in the 80's or early 90's I will never forget paying $320 for 8 MEG of ram.

 

[scannall]

I hate to keep going off-topic, but somewhere in the 80's or early 90's I will never forget paying $320 for 8 MEG of ram.

In 1984 when the Mac came out, ram was $1000 per meg. So yeah, late 80's early 90's. A lot of the cost on those early machines like the Lisa was ram prices.

 

[A///]

I remember buying a whopping 4 MB in 1993 and thinking it was the bees knees in performance. From possibly 1991 to 1999 the performance hits every year kept you on your feet. It was amazing. I also remember dating a Lisa in university who didn't find it amusing when I candidly told her I was first interested in her not for her looks and intellect but geeking out over her name being the same as Apple's Lisa. Apple hardware was semi popular in some circles in those days. There was an Apple owners club at both of the universities I attended. People would name them and treat them like pets or worse children.

 

[Kocicak]

....

8-cores at $450 in 2023 is not progression people

What about 6 cores next year for $450, while each core is 2 times more powerful than current cores. Would that be progression or regression in your mind?

 

[Markfw]

What about 6 cores next year for $450, while each core is 2 times more powerful than current cores. Would that be progression or regression in your mind?

First, that is not going to happen. Second, anything new from AMD would have at least 8 cores.

 

[biostud]

7800X3D on A620

https://twitter.com/x/status/1644926645151887360

 

[DrMrLordX]

Interesting, the CPU loses 400 MHz on A620. Wonder why?

 

[Joe NYC]

Interesting, the CPU loses 400 MHz on A620. Wonder why?

65 Watt limit? (which some mobo may be enforcing for A620, while others don't)

 

[IEC]

Unsurprisingly, it seems like the 7800X3D was the chip everyone was waiting for. 5800X3D not far behind.:

CPU Retail Sales Week 14 2023 (MindFactory) (Ryzen 7 7800X3D launch week)

Sales:
AMD: 5680 units sold, 83.16%, ASP: 346
Intel: 1150, 16.84%, ASP: 311

Revenue:
AMD: 1964538, 84.61%
Intel: 357334, 15.39%

By socket:
AM4: 2920 units
AM5: 2760 (1860 of these were 7800X3D)
1700: 1035
1200: 115

 

[igor_kavinski]

Go, AMD!

 

[Muadib]

I'll be here all week. Try the SPIEDINI ALLA SICILIANA.

And don't forget to tip your waitress!

 

[FangBLade]

7800x3d is a phenomenal product, with such a great ratio of performance to power consumption. The power consumption is so much better than Intel's that it has become one of the main points mentioned in reviews, making it a superior product.

 

[CP5670]

I'm loving the performance of mine, but the power consumption everyone is talking about is not a strong point imo. The idle power is 30-40W higher than my old 10700K/Z490 setup. I can't tell if it's the CPU or the platform. The X670E heatsink does get quite hot, too hot to touch even when the computer is not doing anything. The video card is also a bit power hungry on idle (because of the AIO pump), so the total idle power is at least 50W over what I had a year ago.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I'm loving the performance of mine, but the power consumption everyone is talking about is not a strong point imo. The idle power is 30-40W higher than my old 10700K/Z490 setup. I can't tell if it's the CPU or the platform. The X670E heatsink does get quite hot, too hot to touch even when the computer is not doing anything. The video card is also a bit power hungry on idle (because of the AIO pump), so the total idle power is at least 50W over what I had a year ago.

Tech Tester reported similar results with an Asus board. Seems like Gigabyte is doing the best at idle power usage. The high idle usage on many boards needs to get fixed. Most people spend much more time doing things that don't require any real CPU grunt, so idle power draw that much higher is unacceptable.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Unsurprisingly, it seems like the 7800X3D was the chip everyone was waiting for. 5800X3D not far behind.:

CPU Retail Sales Week 14 2023 (MindFactory) (Ryzen 7 7800X3D launch week)

It is why I consider all the anti-consumer accusations silly. No one forced you to buy a 79 series 3D, and not wait for the 7800X3D. If you lack impulse control or failed to do the bare minimum of due diligence in understanding that it was going to launch months later, that's on you. No one lied to or manipulated you, you goofed because you didn't observe the ancient warning - Caveat Emptor. I know some disagree with me on the issue, and think I am a big meanie head. My response is that it's the third decade of the 21st century and the ability to make informed purchases is higher than it has ever been. There is no reasonable excuse for failing to do so.

As you wrote, this is unsurprising. Many of us have been saying it was the reason for low Zen 4 sales from day one. Knowing the 3D was coming, and in particular, the 7800X3D was partially responsible. Gamers wanting the best, were waiting for this release.

Cool to see cheap boards that perform well for gaming, hitting the market now too. Going to be able to do a killer gaming PC based around the 7800X3D without breaking the proverbial bank.

 

[biostud]

Unsurprisingly, it seems like the 7800X3D was the chip everyone was waiting for. 5800X3D not far behind.:

CPU Retail Sales Week 14 2023 (MindFactory) (Ryzen 7 7800X3D launch week)

I hope my delivery date doesn't get pushed again (15th), as all major retailers here in Denmark now has unknown or very late April delivery dates.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I hope my delivery date doesn't get pushed again (15th), as all major retailers here in Denmark now has unknown or very late April delivery dates.

Oh no. Maybe their employees are using the inventory for scalping!

 

[biostud]

Oh no. Maybe their employees are using the inventory for scalping!

Or they simply didn't get very many. I see the same pattern at every major hardware launch that, we are usually a fortnight or more behind the larger countries.