Review Zen4 3D review thread

[Hitman928]

Thread to focus on Zen4 3D cache CPUs.

New gaming king (as most expected), though the 2 CCD 7950x3d does seem to have issues with some games, more than I would expect of it getting stuck on the "wrong" CCD. I imagine it will get cleared up with subsequent updates but we'll see. Simulated 7800X3D showed no such issues and overall has the gaming lead (real product might be slightly slower though depending on in game clocks).

Computerbase also has the 7950x3d as the gaming champ. They (and TPU) also show that efficiency while gaming is extremely good.

Ryzen 9 7950X3D im Test gegen 5800X3D und 13900K(S)

Zen 4 3D ist da. Im Test erweist sich AMDs Ryzen 9 7950X3D gegen 7950X, 5800X3D und Core i9-13900K(S) als schnell und effizient.

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Just to toot my own horn a little, it landed spot on with my prediction of fastest gaming CPU but not significantly so over a 13900k on average, but with much higher efficiency.

Additional reviews, will add more later.

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[Ranulf]

Is Xplane the popular sim? My only exposure to flight simulators was the Microsoft one in the 90s either 95 or 98, and playing around on a Sega airline pilot in Vegas during a company retreat the April before 9/11. I can't remember if it was on the casino floor or in the arcade section but I'd spotted it from afar while eating some take out we'd gotten from the casino dining area. Very easy going. I was back the next year on another retreat and security was heavy. Life changed big time back then.

I think the most popular is now MS FS 2020 and Xplane for pure flight sims. I had to look up the other one I couldn't remember the name of, by Lockheed-Martin called Prepar3D. That one is expensive, $200. Probably the most popular combat flight sim is the DCS world stuff.

MS flight sim X was Microsoft's only offering for a long time before 2020 version.

 

[IEC]

It's here:

 

[A///]

It's here:
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Time to party. What are you pairing her with?

 

[maddie]

Not bad, the power improvement over the 13900k ranges from a meager 4 watts to 12 watts in most areas of the video. That may not seem like much, but yours truly read up on flight simulators and simulation. Apparently it's real time, which both shocks me and makes me question some peopel's sanity. Now, get this, this is the crazy thing. I did the math, and if someone who is retired which seems to be most simmers since it attracts mostly and older and affluent crowd, is those wattages add up every day and every year. There is real cost savings to be had with AMD. Further tuning and BIOS updates may reign in even more excess power. The possibilities are endless. Although the intel does seem fine if you don't want to pay extra for a space heater or enjoy warm air wafting over your woolen sock covered feet.

Wait till a friend invites you to see an intercontinental fly-in with him. Suddenly, I'm very busy.

 

[A///]

Wait till a friend invites you to see an intercontinental fly-in with him. Suddenly, I'm very busy.

Sounds... fun. It might be fun to do in real life, no? For long haul flights of 8 or more hours I, as a passenger, greatly prefer a small pour of alcohol and a sleeping pill to get through it all. I've only began to get back into gaming recently by writing down a list of what games I think I'd like to play once I get my Z4 up and running.

I have to say that gaming graphics have certainly changed a lot and for the better since the last time I was an avid PC gamer. I'm blown away by how good everything looks now. The games I do still play are around 18-25 years old. As you can imagine they're not very demanding but bring me joy when I do sit down to play.

 

[IEC]

Time to party. What are you pairing her with?

Drop in replacement for my 7700X on the ASUS X670E-Pro.

Couple of PEBKAC "doh!" moments involved:
1) I was on 2/24/23 BIOS v1222 and had not yet updated to latest (1406) prior to swapping out the CPU. Despite this, it booted fine and let me update BIOS without issue. I also had BIOS flashback as a last resort, which I did not need to use.
2) fTPM module is on the processor. So if you have Bitlocker enabled due to needing encryption for work requirements... make sure you have the unlock key handy. Had to decrypt a USB key on a laptop to access my recovery key. That could have been epic fail. It at least warns you on first boot and gives you option of clearing fTPM key or keeping it so you can swap the old CPU back in...

First CPU-Z run:

For comparison, Guru3D got 662 ST and 7257 MT, so my sample out of the box at stock settings seems to be in the ballpark.

1406 gives a few new options including a "EXPO Tweaked" memory profile so I'm giving that a try for now. May revert back to my previous Buildzoid-inspired settings once I have a chance to test things out.

 

[A///]

Drop in replacement for my 7700X on the ASUS X670E-Pro.

Couple of PEBKAC "doh!" moments involved:
1) I was on 2/24/23 BIOS v1222 and had not yet updated to latest (1406) prior to swapping out the CPU. Despite this, it booted fine and let me update BIOS without issue. I also had BIOS flashback as a last resort, which I did not need to use.
2) fTPM module is on the processor. So if you have Bitlocker enabled due to needing encryption for work requirements... make sure you have the unlock key handy. Had to decrypt a USB key on a laptop to access my recovery key. That could have been epic fail. It at least warns you on first boot and gives you option of clearing fTPM key or keeping it so you can swap the old CPU back in...

First CPU-Z run:
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For comparison, Guru3D got 662 ST and 7257 MT, so my sample out of the box at stock settings seems to be in the ballpark.

1406 gives a few new options including a "EXPO Tweaked" memory profile so I'm giving that a try for now. May revert back to my previous Buildzoid-inspired settings once I have a chance to test things out.

Thanks for the tip. I've have had strange hardware run ins ever since security became paramount. That Prime board is looking nice. It's more feature rich than the Intel version.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I'm blown away by how good everything looks now.

I don't get to be able to play games as much as I wish I could (various reasons but mostly health and a job that stresses me coz I'm expected to do ANYTHING thrown my way and I can't quit. I'm kinda unemployable) but the last few games that I really enjoyed playing include:

Uncharted 4 (PS4)
Last of Us (PS4)
Detroit: Become Human (PS4)
Spiderman (PS4)
Forza Horizon 3 (Xbox One X)

I know it looks weird that there isn't any PC game there. I have over 2000 games in my Steam library. Every year I plan on playing the best of them during my annual vacation. I forget and end up watching movies or sleeping or getting myself wrapped up in something futile like programming bootcamps. Futile because I'm just not that good a programmer.

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

It's here:
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If you would be so gracious as to run the same test as the one I did here we might get some useful info on whether 7800X3D clocks the same, or not as well as 7950X3D, just note these are rounded up to the nearest 25MHz increment from the readings in Ryzen Master since it appears to be effective clock and not fixed to the expected 25MHz clock increments

I can definitely run more clockspeed testing as needed as well, I didn't bother to do any thorough multicore clockspeed testing yet

 

[IEC]

If you would be so gracious as to run the same test as the one I did here we might get some useful info on whether 7800X3D clocks the same, or not as well as 7950X3D, just note these are rounded up to the nearest 25MHz increment from the readings in Ryzen Master since it appears to be effective clock and not fixed to the expected 25MHz clock increments

I can definitely run more clockspeed testing as needed as well, I didn't bother to do any thorough multicore clockspeed testing yet

Observing in HWInfo it appears to cap out at 5050MHz (stock, PBO is not enabled). It definitely appears to have favored cores as well:


This was during a bench run on CPU-z:

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

Observing in HWInfo it appears to cap out at 5050MHz (stock, PBO is not enabled). It definitely appears to have favored cores as well:
View attachment 79312

This was during a bench run on CPU-z:
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I disabled PBO and disabled the frequency CCD and did the test


It holds 4.9 GHz all core, and the singlethread test hits 5.225-5.25 on my preferred cores

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

With my PBO setup enabled (10X Scalar, +200MHz, -30CO all core) it holds 5100 MHz all core, but still stuck at 5250 MHz single, albeit performing slightly better for some reason.

 

[AdamK47]

Could try some gaming tests and see the clock speeds per core over time...

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[IEC]

I guess the question is if the higher frequency yields better gaming performance. At least from Skatterbencher's OC it didn't appear to make much difference in FPS.

 

[AdamK47]

I guess the question is if the higher frequency yields better gaming performance. At least from Skatterbencher's OC it didn't appear to make much difference in FPS.

Most definitely not a great deal.

Personally, I'm the one curious to see similar graphs to mine with a 7800X3D.

I understand if you don't want to. Maybe someone else can.

 

[A///]

I don't get to be able to play games as much as I wish I could (various reasons but mostly health and a job that stresses me coz I'm expected to do ANYTHING thrown my way and I can't quit. I'm kinda unemployable) but the last few games that I really enjoyed playing include:

Uncharted 4 (PS4)
Last of Us (PS4)
Detroit: Become Human (PS4)
Spiderman (PS4)
Forza Horizon 3 (Xbox One X)

I know it looks weird that there isn't any PC game there. I have over 2000 games in my Steam library. Every year I plan on playing the best of them during my annual vacation. I forget and end up watching movies or sleeping or getting myself wrapped up in something futile like programming bootcamps. Futile because I'm just not that good a programmer.

A Royal Henchman? In 2020 I considered getting a Ps5 but we saw how impossible it's been to buy ever since. Most of what I play are rpgs or turnstyle games. IDK if you know what those are but they are like real time games where you make a move and must wait until the next player also known as the computer makes a move. there's a few terrific old building games under the anno name from the early 2000s that are great to play. thinking games are the best.

 

[Dave3000]

Today I replaced my Ryzen 5800X with a Ryzen 5800X3D. In a certain scenario in X-Plane 12 it went from 31 before the upgrade to 40 fps after the upgrade. This is at CYVR on runway 8R with the FF 767-300. In FS2020 it was not as significant change and I expected more of a change in FS2020 than X-Plane 12. In FS2020 at CYVR, runway 8R, on the default 747 I went from 56 fps (main thread limited) before the upgrade to 66 fps (GPU limited) after the upgrade. I expected more improvement in FS2020 from this CPU upgrade based on the reviews I read about the 5800X3D as it showed a bigger difference in a review that was showing it's performance in FS2020 compared to other CPUs including the 5800x. I currently have a GTX 1080 Ti but I ordered a FE RTX 4080 and it should arrive for pickup by Friday, so I'm expecting an even bigger change in FS2020 once the 4080 is installed. This is all done at 1080p resolution.

 

[A///]

I'm no expert but that 1080ti is a bottleneck imo.

 

[Aapje]

I think the most popular is now MS FS 2020 and Xplane for pure flight sims. I had to look up the other one I couldn't remember the name of, by Lockheed-Martin called Prepar3D. That one is expensive, $200. Probably the most popular combat flight sim is the DCS world stuff.

MS flight sim X was Microsoft's only offering for a long time before 2020 version.

The most popular combat flight sim is War Thunder

Funnily enough, Ace Combat 7 is not that far behind DCS when it comes to how much people play it, despite being 4! years old.

I think that the major publishers are really dropping the ball by not doing an AA combat flight sim (single- and/or multiplayer) that is not as hardcore as DCS, but also not as arcady as War Thunder. And what is especially missing is a good single-player title.

 

[igor_kavinski]

thinking games are the best.

Have you tried Uplink? My friend is dead against games coz he thinks they waste time but he will play Tomb Raider and the only other game he finished is Uplink. He couldn't stop playing it. It requires not just thinking but really quick thinking as the clock starts ticking quicker and quicker.

EDIT: Another quick thinking game is Catherine on PS4 and Steam. It can get pretty hectic if you start running out of time as the dream monster behind the tiles will start destroying the tiles and then you will die when there's no tile left to stand on.

 

[igor_kavinski]

so I'm expecting an even bigger change in FS2020 once the 4080 is installed.

FS2020 can be run with DLSS3 so you won't have any problems there, even at 4K.

 

[igor_kavinski]

it showed a bigger difference in a review that was showing it's performance in FS2020 compared to other CPUs including the 5800x.

Which GPU did that review use?

 

[Joe NYC]

He specifically said X-Plane, not MSFS.

Different apps, different performance profiles.

Though even there a 7900X3D (worst of this generation's X3D chips) slightly beats a 13900K:

7900x3d is probably the equivalent of future 7600x3d in gaming,

 

[biostud]

MSI boost 7800X3D up to 10% (press release)

Boosting 10% Game Performance With Ryzen™ 7 7800X3D Processor And MSI Exclusive Enhanced Mode Boost

Boosting 10% Game Performance With Ryzen™ 7 7800X3D Processor And MSI Exclusive Enhanced Mode Boost

www.msi.com

 

[ondma]

MSI boost 7800X3D up to 10% (press release)

Boosting 10% Game Performance With Ryzen™ 7 7800X3D Processor And MSI Exclusive Enhanced Mode Boost

Boosting 10% Game Performance With Ryzen™ 7 7800X3D Processor And MSI Exclusive Enhanced Mode Boost

www.msi.com

Average increase at 1080p of the six games is 7.7 percent. Not sure one could tell the difference in real world gaming, but i guess it does give a boost if you are looking for bragging rights vs Intel or non-X processors.