Review Zen4 3D review thread

[Hitman928]

Thread to focus on Zen4 3D cache CPUs.

New gaming king (as most expected), though the 2 CCD 7950x3d does seem to have issues with some games, more than I would expect of it getting stuck on the "wrong" CCD. I imagine it will get cleared up with subsequent updates but we'll see. Simulated 7800X3D showed no such issues and overall has the gaming lead (real product might be slightly slower though depending on in game clocks).

Computerbase also has the 7950x3d as the gaming champ. They (and TPU) also show that efficiency while gaming is extremely good.

Ryzen 9 7950X3D im Test gegen 5800X3D und 13900K(S)

Zen 4 3D ist da. Im Test erweist sich AMDs Ryzen 9 7950X3D gegen 7950X, 5800X3D und Core i9-13900K(S) als schnell und effizient.

www.computerbase.de

Just to toot my own horn a little, it landed spot on with my prediction of fastest gaming CPU but not significantly so over a 13900k on average, but with much higher efficiency.

Additional reviews, will add more later.

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D processor review

We review the new Ryzen 9 7950X3D processor from AMD. The much-anticipated processor series comes with an added cache that will help predominantly with gaming. This processor series was designed for ...

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AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review - Best of Both Worlds

The Ryzen 9 7950X3D is the spearhead of the AMD Zen 4 X3D lineup. In our performance review we test AMD's new 16-core flagship with dozens of applications and 14 games at up to 4K, to see whether AMD can take the performance crown from Intel, how power consumption is affected, and what can be...

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The AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review: AMD's Fastest Gaming Processor

www.anandtech.com

Gamers Nexus

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Linux Performance Review - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review: AMD Retakes Gaming Crown with 3D V-Cache

AMD takes a bite out of Raptor Lake.

www.tomshardware.com

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D review: Team Red retakes the lead with its best CPU ever

The AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D is the best gaming CPU there is, and it's not close

www.techradar.com

 

[Mopetar]

I think that comparison isn't particularly good. We know that Cinebench will push a single core as hard as it can, but most games won't utilize all 16 cores, and there are plenty that won't saturate 8 even if they're all technically being used.

We've already seen this in n gaming benchmarks where something like the 13900K which can pull an absurd amount of power will barely hit half of that in gaming benchmarks because it's unusual for games to fully load more than a single core and even games that scale we'll tend not to fully load additional cores and as a result they run more efficiently.

Once AMD manages to figure out how to work around the voltage limits so that the v-cache chips can run at the same levels as regular Zen, the efficiency won't look quite as good. Of course I'm pretty sure we'll all gladly trade that for an extra 500 MHz of boost for that single fastest core because it will add a lot of performance.

 

[A///]

Christ on a leaky river raft on the Nile. Not the best scores for such a high msrp. Glad I listened to @Markfw and waited to see these scores. May wait some more to see if AMD will lower the MSRP on these because of a low take rate, which is what I'm hoping for to snag a 7950X3D. If not, then the regular version. DDR5 prices have hit the bottom in terms of a new gen launch. Mobo prices have remained and are the only hinerance for me, but neither is an issue if microcenter have a combo sale. I may even grab some early Christmas gifts for myself.

 

[In2Photos]

Christ on a leaky river raft on the Nile. Not the best scores for such a high msrp. Glad I listened to @Markfw and waited to see these scores. May wait some more to see if AMD will lower the MSRP on these because of a low take rate, which is what I'm hoping for to snag a 7950X3D. If not, then the regular version. DDR5 prices have hit the bottom in terms of a new gen launch. Mobo prices have remained and are the only hinerance for me, but neither is an issue if microcenter have a combo sale. I may even grab some early Christmas gifts for myself.

There is also a new combo sale for existing AM5 CPUs that just started I believe. It's valid at Newegg and Amazon.

 

[Joe NYC]

Do not LOL, Excel is a very important application for some.

Excel is very important to me too, but in majority of the user scenarios, CPU is not a bottleneck or even noticeable.

Only when I make some sort of mistake, like accidently pasting multiple-megabyte HTML document ...

My 2nd work PC (not listed in my sig) is Intel 2400, and it is fine in Excel.

 

[nicalandia]

Christ on a leaky river raft on the Nile. Not the best scores for such a high msrp. Glad I listened to @Markfw and waited to see these scores. May wait some more to see if AMD will lower the MSRP on these because of a low take rate, which is what I'm hoping for to snag a 7950X3D. If not, then the regular version. DDR5 prices have hit the bottom in terms of a new gen launch. Mobo prices have remained and are the only hinerance for me, but neither is an issue if microcenter have a combo sale. I may even grab some early Christmas gifts for myself.

You know there is always the 7700X that performs very close to the 13900K without the price tag.. There are also other Budget Gaming CPUs for the Poor.

People with Money spend money on Halo products.

 

[LightningZ71]

Precompiling shaders is supposed to happen only once, unless you change the GPU driver. Power consumption during precompiling shaders is a non-issue.

Cool, why is the 13900KS so drastically more energy hungry for that game then?

 

[Joe NYC]

hardware unboxed seems convinced its 6 and 6

The, hopefully Hardware Unboxed will hopefully have a "Simulated 7600x3d" results in their tests.

 

[LightningZ71]

And based on all of the micro form factor PCs that are showing up for these office tasks NONE of them will have any variant of a 7950X or 13900 in them.

You're lucky if they aren't -T series Intel chips most of the time!

 

[In2Photos]

You're lucky if they aren't -T series Intel chips most of the time!

Last one I saw installed for one of our clients did in fact have a 12500T.

 

[A///]

You know there is always the 7700X that performs very close to the 13900K without the price tag.. There are also other Budget Gaming CPUs for the Poor.

People with Money spend money on Halo products.

If my work could be done as fast on an 8 core I'd have bought the 8 core.

 

[A///]

There is also a new combo sale for existing AM5 CPUs that just started I believe. It's valid at Newegg and Amazon.

Amazon does combo sales? Could you please link both?

 

[StinkyPinky]

Factorio results for those interested in those types of games. It is complete domination though another game where you would want to set BIOS to prefer cache CCD if you get the 7950x3d.

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What the heck? That AMD CPU just before the benchmark....

 

[In2Photos]

Amazon does combo sales? Could you please link both?

Links are at the bottom of the article.

AMD announces Ryzen 7000 system bundle promotion, up to $125 savings on select AM5 builds - VideoCardz.com

AMD AM5 system bundle promotion starts next week, 7000X3D not included (yet?) The company today announced it will run a new promotion on Ryzen 7000 CPUs, reports Tom’s Hardware. AMD AM5 Build Bundle Promotion, Source: AMD/Tom’s Hardware Just as we expect the Ryzen 7000X3D series to launch next...

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[DAPUNISHER]

Obviously lower power consumption and the high likelihood of a drop in CPU for a generational update in 2-4 years without digging into the guts of the PC and it should have great staying power in terms of value.

These points are not getting nearly the attention they should from reviewers or commenters. It's the deal closer.

 

[Joe NYC]

These points are not getting nearly the attention they should from reviewers or commenters. It's the deal closer.

Agreed. I would call myself a hobbyist and have built 10s of PCs in my life time. But installing or changing motherboard is not exactly something I am thrilled about.

Swapping CPU or cooler? No problem...

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I have to say, the Anandtech review is not bad. He missed that the cache isn't being used in Dwarf Fortress or Factorio. It should win both of those.

BTW, when is the last time AMD was at the top of a performance list for a Total War: Warhammer game? Intel has dominated those titles.

 

[poke01]

Oh theres been a bloodbath again. Call the janitors.

 

[Timmah!]

By the way, in case anyone is just looking at the graphs and not reading the reviews, on 7950X3D, you can force a non-gaming application to run on the V-cache CCD by adding it to the games list in the Xbox Game Bar. May be useful in some cases.

What about the reverse scenario? If your app, game or not, is put onto the v-cache CCD, when the frequency one would suit it more? This happening either by some mistake, or because its a game, so its expected behavior...but not one of those game to benefit the bigger cache? How is such situation resolved?

 

[lightmanek]

Good review and uses some games not seen elswhere:

 

[utahraptor]

anyone know what time you can order, midnight?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Good review and uses some games not seen elswhere:

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I watched that this morning. I laughed like Wendell at the beginning of his review when I saw the pinned comment. She just responded "LOL" so good!

The copium going on in that pinned comment is overdose levels. He shouldn't be lobbying to try to make Intel look better in the review, he should be thanking AMD. It ensures Intel will have to keep innovating and stay aggressive with pricing. That means he can buy his next Intel dream machine for less, and get the best product they can come up with. Unlike all those years of selling essentially the same CPU, because AMD was acting like a head wound victim.

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

anyone know what time you can order, midnight?

The last few launches have been around 6AM PST.

 

[Ranulf]

Well, I mean if you're gonna go all out with a $700 i9, why not spend twice the money for 32GB of 7200mhz ram than 6000. It just works.

 

[CP5670]

Looks impressive. I'm planning to get a 7800X3D, maybe from a Microcenter combo. I'm mainly interested in gaming performance and don't want to rely on the Windows scheduler and custom drivers to pick the right core for a given app.

However, the difference at 4K is pretty trivial. I wonder if it's even noticeable there. I do get performance drops in some specific maps or areas on my 10700K, where there are a lot of NPCs around, so maybe it will improve things there. The idle power is an issue as well. It's more important than load power for me, since the PC spends much more time idle.

 

[alexruiz]

Winning as expected, but there is still variability in the results
I am curious on a few details, and I admit that I did not watch all the reviews to nail down some of the details:

• What motherboards were used?

I know that all the mobos will have AGESA ComboAM5 1.0.0.5c, otherwise the x3D chips will not run, but the implementation per manufacturer still have differences.​

My PERSONAL observation after building a few AM5 systems is that Gigabyte is still in the lead for performance, with Asus/AsRock a little behind and MSI at the rear.​

Anandtech used a Gigabyte X670E Aorus Master btw​

• Were the regular Ryzen 7000 series retested with the newer UEFIs, or were the outlets reusing launch day numbers?

I know I sound like a broken record when I state that there is a lot of difference in performance between AGESA ComboAM5 1.0.0.1D (out of the box) and 1.0.0.3A.​

Retesting and comparing the newer results with the launch day reviews would go a long way on clearing out the questions of how fast Zen4 truly is.
No more of the "Zen 4 is slower, see this link at xxx site using launch day numbers?"​

Like many others, I wonder about the 7900X3D
Seemed to be the "just right" size, but it is absent.