Review Zen4 3D review thread

[Hitman928]

Thread to focus on Zen4 3D cache CPUs.

New gaming king (as most expected), though the 2 CCD 7950x3d does seem to have issues with some games, more than I would expect of it getting stuck on the "wrong" CCD. I imagine it will get cleared up with subsequent updates but we'll see. Simulated 7800X3D showed no such issues and overall has the gaming lead (real product might be slightly slower though depending on in game clocks).

Computerbase also has the 7950x3d as the gaming champ. They (and TPU) also show that efficiency while gaming is extremely good.

Ryzen 9 7950X3D im Test gegen 5800X3D und 13900K(S)

Zen 4 3D ist da. Im Test erweist sich AMDs Ryzen 9 7950X3D gegen 7950X, 5800X3D und Core i9-13900K(S) als schnell und effizient.

www.computerbase.de

Just to toot my own horn a little, it landed spot on with my prediction of fastest gaming CPU but not significantly so over a 13900k on average, but with much higher efficiency.

Additional reviews, will add more later.

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D processor review

We review the new Ryzen 9 7950X3D processor from AMD. The much-anticipated processor series comes with an added cache that will help predominantly with gaming. This processor series was designed for ...

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AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review - Best of Both Worlds

The Ryzen 9 7950X3D is the spearhead of the AMD Zen 4 X3D lineup. In our performance review we test AMD's new 16-core flagship with dozens of applications and 14 games at up to 4K, to see whether AMD can take the performance crown from Intel, how power consumption is affected, and what can be...

www.techpowerup.com

The AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review: AMD's Fastest Gaming Processor

www.anandtech.com

Gamers Nexus

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Linux Performance Review - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review: AMD Retakes Gaming Crown with 3D V-Cache

AMD takes a bite out of Raptor Lake.

www.tomshardware.com

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D review: Team Red retakes the lead with its best CPU ever

The AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D is the best gaming CPU there is, and it's not close

www.techradar.com

 

[igor_kavinski]

BTW 13900KS is balls to the wall limited edition model which runs the fastest as it can no matter what, and 7950X3D is a reasonable low clocked product with sane power consumtion. They are not really comparable.

They have similar prices. KS is slightly more expensive than the X3D. AMD wants that disposable money from credit cards that are gonna get maxed out anyway

 

[leoneazzurro]

The 7950X3D power limit is how the 7950X should have been released. Bringing the power consumption to 170W for a couple percent gain in MT was an error on AMD's side IMHO.

 

[nicalandia]

DiRT Rally 2.0 Linux gaming.

 

[Kaluan]

Sorry, but this is BS. Authors should clock the 13900KS and 7950X3D the same, (e.g. to 5700 Mhz), and then measure the performance and power consumption in single thread loads. They may be surprised by the outcome.

BTW 13900KS is balls to the wall limited edition model which runs the fastest as it can no matter what, and 7950X3D is a reasonable low clocked product with sane power consumtion. They are not really comparable.

They have similar prices. KS is slightly more expensive than the X3D. AMD wants that disposable money from credit cards that are gonna get maxed out anyway

TBH, the moment I saw 13900K/KS pull north of 200W in Spider-Man was the last straw for me, def not building a Intel system anytime in the foreseeable future.

 

[Carfax83]

Stop. I say this as a forum member. If you continue with your usual long winded propagandistic postings about Raptor, in a thread that isn't about it. I'll report you myself.

That you can't even discuss the topic without pimping Raptor is bad, and you should feel bad. If you were intellectually honest about it, I wouldn't mind. But you aren't. When hit with evidence to the contrary, you use the opportunity to further obfuscate whatever is being discussed about AMD. And turn the thread into a slog no one wants to read anymore. I am here in this thread, for information and analysis concerning the new Zen 4 3D. Not to read about what Raptor can do, or why you think it's better. There is already a thread for that.

Raptor Lake is the current competition for Zen 4 3D, and RPL has been discussed all over this thread unless you're completely blind. Or are we just not allowed to discuss anything negative about Zen 4 3D?. And @PhonakV30 posted three reviews which have some much needed context to elucidate the results. First being that memory performance only yields performance increases during CPU bottlenecks which happens rarely. Reviewers need to find CPU limited areas in games and use CPU limited settings including ray tracing. Secondly, and this one explains more than anything TPU's results with the 13900K, they used a fricking RTX 3080 which means they were completely GPU bottlenecked. Of course you never bothered to even check what GPU they were using before flapping your gums.

The Computerbase.de review is much more reliable and it agrees with my earlier sentiment, being that RPL and Zen 4 3D are practically tied with both trading blows depending on the game when using optimized memory. Zen 4 3D was a measly 3% faster, which is nothing but far more efficient which was predictable. And the memory still has a lot of room for improvement as manually tuned memory will walk all over XMP, even if XMP has higher frequency. That may likely be the case for Expo as well but since I have no personal experience with Expo I can't say that for a fact as I don't know how aggressive the auto settings are. At any rate, HWUB said they are going to look into memory scaling with RPL and Zen 4 3D in future videos but it really depends on how far they take the memory tuning and whether they are competent enough to discover CPU limited areas in games to show these improvements....which so far appears not to be the case.

Lastly, you don't need to report me because I am done with this forum and being harassed by AMD zealot moderators like yourself and @Markfw. Enjoy your AMD circle jerk with my blessing





See ya.


esquared
Anandtech Forum Director

 

[Heartbreaker]

Both the 13900K and the 7950X3D only makes sens if you also have some work that can make use of all the other cores, if you're only for gaming 13600K, 13700K, 7600(X), 7700(X) and 7800X3D are the CPU's you should be buying.

Yep, even if I won millions in a lotto, I still wouldn't buy a 13900k, or 7950X3D. 13700K or 7800X3D would be more than enough for top end gaming. Even with excess money, I still wouldn't engage in pointless excess spending...

Without the lotto, I'll be looking more at previous generation i5-12400, or 5600G as budget options.

 

[Markfw]

Raptor Lake is the current competition for Zen 4 3D, and RPL has been discussed all over this thread unless you're completely blind. Or are we just not allowed to discuss anything negative about Zen 4 3D?. And @PhonakV30 posted three reviews which have some much needed context to elucidate the results. First being that memory performance only yields performance increases during CPU bottlenecks which happens rarely. Reviewers need to find CPU limited areas in games and use CPU limited settings including ray tracing. Secondly, and this one explains more than anything TPU's results with the 13900K, they used a fricking RTX 3080 which means they were completely GPU bottlenecked. Of course you never bothered to even check what GPU they were using before flapping your gums.

The Computerbase.de review is much more reliable and it agrees with my earlier sentiment, being that RPL and Zen 4 3D are practically tied with both trading blows depending on the game when using optimized memory. Zen 4 3D was a measly 3% faster, which is nothing but far more efficient which was predictable. And the memory still has a lot of room for improvement as manually tuned memory will walk all over XMP, even if XMP has higher frequency. That may likely be the case for Expo as well but since I have no personal experience with Expo I can't say that for a fact as I don't know how aggressive the auto settings are. At any rate, HWUB said they are going to look into memory scaling with RPL and Zen 4 3D in future videos but it really depends on how far they take the memory tuning and whether they are competent enough to discover CPU limited areas in games to show these improvements....which so far appears not to be the case.

Lastly, you don't need to report me because I am done with this forum and being harassed by AMD zealot moderators like yourself and @Markfw. Enjoy your AMD circle jerk with my blessing

Its one thing to talk about it here and there, and where it related to the benchmarks. But you talk about Intel all the time in almost every AMD thread as well as Intel threads. And here is an example. When Intel is ahead by 3% its not measly, but when AMD is, then it is measly.

Edit: and here is a good one. You say the top CPUs are virtually tied in performance, but the AMD one is a lot more efficient. But you bought the Intel one. Whats with that ?

Now lets get back to the reviews.

 

[exitorious]

It was surprisingly easy to get one.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

It was surprisingly easy to get one.

It's sold out at da egg now. The 7900X 3D is still in stock though.

 

[Heartbreaker]

It was surprisingly easy to get one.

Not really surprising that the market for $700 gaming CPU is more limited.

 

[maddie]

Concerning the TPU article "Ryzen 7950X3D with One CCD Disabled".

Beware, just a heads up, the relative performance chart has a lot of inaccuracies. It should mirror the average FPS chart exactly.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Lastly, you don't need to report me because I am done with this forum and being harassed by AMD zealot moderators like yourself and @Markfw. Enjoy your AMD circle jerk with my blessing

While this is offtopic, I will reply. Especially since you are so butthurt over not being able to derail AMD threads that you are going to take your ball and go home. I would prefer you stuck around. As long as you show the level of decorum everyone else is required to. Go shout to anyone that will listen about how great Raptor is in the Raptor thread. You can compare it, as you are here in this thread, to your heart's desire. That's the place for it. So stop playing the poor persecuted victim card. As you could act like an adult instead of a petulant child, and type whatever pro Intel stuff you want. Just not an AMD specific threads.

Furthermore, I am honest and open about why I prefer AMD. Because they are not the dominant player in either the CPU or GPU market. Without them, I'd have to buy stock in Intel and Nvidia just to get back the extra money they would be juicing me for. Even then the stagnation that would ensue without competition, means we all lose. See most of the 2010s for reference.

I also fully support Intel being in the dGPU biz. As with AMD the deal has to be right for me to buy them. But I WILL buy them. You can find posts by me owning, using, and even defending Intel CPUs here. You can find me overclocking them. You can find me recommending them to others doing builds. This goes all the way back to my join date. I had built an AMD K6 2 system about 18 months before joining. It replaced a Pentium 100 with MMX I overclocked to 120MHz by moving a jumper cap.

I'll close by saying I hope you decide to hang around. Your user experience benefits others that buy the platforms you use. But you can't leverage every thread to hop on your soapbox and pimp like you get commission. Seems like a reasonable proposition IMO. But you do you.

Quick edit: I also have 2 windows based 8th gen Intel laptops, and an Intel Chromebook at the moment. I still have my OG Xbox too. Not like I am grinding an ax with them.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

@maddie

If you go to the review discussion thread at TPU and point out any errors. W1z is great about correcting them ASAP.

 

[Sunaiac]

Beware, just a heads up, the relative performance chart has a lot of inaccuracies. It should mirror the average FPS chart exactly.

Absolutely not.

One is the average of relative performances (one CPU is chosen as the "100%" for each game, each other CPU is placed relatively to it, then the average of those relative performances is made), the other one is the average of absolute performance (add all FPS for each CPU and divide by number of games).

The first one tells you how each CPU stacks, the other one is useless crap that will make a CPU with 200 fps more in a game @ 600FPS but 5 FPS less in 10 games at 20FPS look better.

 

[KompuKare]

@maddie

If you go to the review discussion thread at TPU and point out any errors. W1z is great about correcting them ASAP.

Wonder if he takes requests though?
The power usage in apps chart got me thinking:

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review - Best of Both Worlds

The Ryzen 9 7950X3D is the spearhead of the AMD Zen 4 X3D lineup. In our performance review we test AMD's new 16-core flagship with dozens of applications and 14 games at up to 4K, to see whether AMD can take the performance crown from Intel, how power consumption is affected, and what can be...

www.techpowerup.com

So I took those "numbers" (visually, any mistakes are mine), and then benchmark scores to get this figured who "won" each bench and by how much and then took that to do a (linear) power AMD and Intel would need and got something like this:

Looking at it, that may be too much (so for the first one, if AMD were 100% then Intel use about 180% the power, or if Intel were 100% then AMD would use about 55%), so I guess the blue lines on their own should be easier to digest:

This time sorted by Intel's power usage: the first seven Intel wins, the rest AMD wins sometimes by huge margins.

Unless Intel can finally come up with something better soon (the famous Intel mantra for the last few years), then their server marketshare could really nosedive. There is almost nothing where their hybrid architecture does well at.

 

[Joe NYC]

It was surprisingly easy to get one.

In my neck of the woods, NYC, 2 Micro Center stores sold out 7950x3d in less than an hour. I checked at 10:40, they open at 10:00. They had ~25 in stock in each store.

7900X3D nearly sold out in one store, and hardly sold any in the other store.

 

[Thibsie]

"Normal K" Raptor lake CPUs are very competitive or even winning in some tasks (as Office programs), and in low thread count loads they are reasonably efficient.

BTW I myself reached a score 2407 in CNB R23 with a 13900K running at 6200 MHz and it consumed LESS than 76W, if I remember correctly it was around 50.

What's the point of a 13900K to argue about low thread count ?
I'm sure a 64 cores TR running a single thread would consume less that running 64 threads, huh ?

 

[Joe NYC]

Yep, even if I won millions in a lotto, I still wouldn't buy a 13900k, or 7950X3D. 13700K or 7800X3D would be more than enough for top end gaming. Even with excess money, I still wouldn't engage in pointless excess spending...

Without the lotto, I'll be looking more at previous generation i5-12400, or 5600G as budget options.

You should ask @Carfax83 for the lottery numbers

He can hit a jackpot of RPL running DDR5 8000 every time, no problem

 

[Kocicak]

Wow, 7950X3D went quickly at out largest retailer, I had no idea so many people wanted to buy such a CPU.

7900X3D are still available, much less people are buying them. Are there any reviews of these out yet?

 

[Heartbreaker]

Wow, 7950X3D went quickly at out largest retailer, I had no idea so many people wanted to buy such a CPU.

7900X3D are still available, much less people are buying them. Are there any reviews of these out yet?

Like 4090 selling out, while the 4080 languised... People in this part of the market have little interest in 2nd best.

 

[Makaveli]

7950X3D selling for $939 CAD at the moment and all sold out.

 

[Kocicak]

Well, if they had some 7900s to hit the shelves, I wonder why they did not sample them to the reviewers.

Perhaps they are really in 6+6 config and the gaming performance is not that stellar?

 

[Heartbreaker]

Perhaps they are really in 6+6 config and the gaming performance is not that stellar?

Of course they are 6+6, it's just a more sensible, balanced layout.

 

[blckgrffn]

This is why the 7950x came first. For the sales.

I completely get it - depending on who I was working with for a build, I'd do it in a heartbeat. If they are making a $1,600 line item in their PC budget for a 4090 I'd be saying we are going the 7950x as a matter of course.

Sadly, I only do a build or two like that per year... if that.

If anything, I am surprised they bothered with the 12 core part unless it's only their to reinforce the value of the higher priced SKU and give the OEMs a solid offering. This wouldn't surprise me, good - better - best is classic.

Value is the 7800x, epeen and just overall mastery is the 7950x.

 

[dr1337]

Absolutely not.

One is the average of relative performances (one CPU is chosen as the "100%" for each game, each other CPU is placed relatively to it, then the average of those relative performances is made), the other one is the average of absolute performance (add all FPS for each CPU and divide by number of games).

The first one tells you how each CPU stacks, the other one is useless crap that will make a CPU with 200 fps more in a game @ 600FPS but 5 FPS less in 10 games at 20FPS look better.

In this case the average is compared to the stock 7950x3d, so yes we can just look at the average fps chart and make direct correlations. Its literally impossible for a 12900k to be any % more relatively faster since the 0ccd fps result is a greater number than the 12900k result. 130fps would always be a higher percentage in relative terms, yet the graphs show it being lower somehow. The charts are using different datasets or there is an error like 12900k results swapped with the 0ccd on the fps chart.