Review Zen4 3D review thread

[Hitman928]

Thread to focus on Zen4 3D cache CPUs.

New gaming king (as most expected), though the 2 CCD 7950x3d does seem to have issues with some games, more than I would expect of it getting stuck on the "wrong" CCD. I imagine it will get cleared up with subsequent updates but we'll see. Simulated 7800X3D showed no such issues and overall has the gaming lead (real product might be slightly slower though depending on in game clocks).

Computerbase also has the 7950x3d as the gaming champ. They (and TPU) also show that efficiency while gaming is extremely good.

Ryzen 9 7950X3D im Test gegen 5800X3D und 13900K(S)

Zen 4 3D ist da. Im Test erweist sich AMDs Ryzen 9 7950X3D gegen 7950X, 5800X3D und Core i9-13900K(S) als schnell und effizient.

www.computerbase.de

Just to toot my own horn a little, it landed spot on with my prediction of fastest gaming CPU but not significantly so over a 13900k on average, but with much higher efficiency.

Additional reviews, will add more later.

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D processor review

We review the new Ryzen 9 7950X3D processor from AMD. The much-anticipated processor series comes with an added cache that will help predominantly with gaming. This processor series was designed for ...

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AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review - Best of Both Worlds

The Ryzen 9 7950X3D is the spearhead of the AMD Zen 4 X3D lineup. In our performance review we test AMD's new 16-core flagship with dozens of applications and 14 games at up to 4K, to see whether AMD can take the performance crown from Intel, how power consumption is affected, and what can be...

www.techpowerup.com

The AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review: AMD's Fastest Gaming Processor

www.anandtech.com

Gamers Nexus

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Linux Performance Review - Phoronix

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AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review: AMD Retakes Gaming Crown with 3D V-Cache

AMD takes a bite out of Raptor Lake.

www.tomshardware.com

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D review: Team Red retakes the lead with its best CPU ever

The AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D is the best gaming CPU there is, and it's not close

www.techradar.com

 

[Panino Manino]

Unsure whether Intel are repeating P4 or trying to copy Bulldozer, but brute force sure is the wrong approach.

It's sad for Intel. Their CPUs are actually good, but because they have to fight to keep the mindshare they are forced to clock the chips to extreme high levels by default.
They could just accept and play it cool for a while until they don't need to resort to "factory overclock" to be ahead. Would it really hurt Intel that much?

 

[Kocicak]

It's sad for Intel. Their CPUs are actually good, but because they have to fight to keep the mindshare they are forced to clock the chips to extreme high levels by default.
They could just accept and play it cool for a while until they don't need to resort to "factory overclock" to be ahead. Would it really hurt Intel that much?

Well, it gave them noticeable lead in gaming over normal Ryzens 7000 and now they are losing just a little bit to 3D Ryzens 7000.

Some people do not care about power consumption and take that as a challenge and enjoy building water loops. Or buying water chillers...

 

[Asterox]

Mindfactory, they have already sold 310 pieces of R9 7900X3D.

https://www.mindfactory.de/Hardware/Prozessoren+(CPU)/AMD+Desktop/Sockel+AM5.html

R9 7950X3D is not listed or available.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Pasting here to save a life, lest anyone buys the 3D chip and then gets a heart attack upon seeing the lower score in this benchmark

 

[igor_kavinski]

HandBrakers rejoice!

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D review: Team Red retakes the lead with its best CPU ever

The AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D is the best gaming CPU there is, and it's not close

www.techradar.com

Forget gaming. Movie pirates will sell their kidneys for this CPU!

 

[igor_kavinski]

Fans of Returnal be like, jaws on the floor!

 

[igor_kavinski]

Oh look! An excuse for the Intel camp to pick the 13900K over the 7950X3D:



821.62% better, they will tell us!

 

[Markfw]

Oh look! An excuse for the Intel camp to pick the 13900K over the 7950X3D:

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821.62% better, they will tell us!

Yes, and they have before several times (no names mentioned). But who buys a top of the line CPU for it to be idle most of the time ? Look at the max running twice the power level ! That certainly negates any min power.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Yes, and they have before several times (no names mentioned). But who buys a top of the line CPU for it to be idle most of the time ?

Good luck expecting them NOT to tout it

 

[igor_kavinski]

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D has been overclocked to 5.9 GHz and delidded - VideoCardz.com

Ryzen 7000X3D overclocking for advanced users SkatterBencher has a lengthy article and video on overclocking of the Ryzen 9 7950X3D, while der8auer spared no time in delidding the first Zen4 desktop CPU with 3D V-Cache. AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D CPU, Source: Optimum Tech/Der8auer Users will not find...

videocardz.com

So close to the 13900KS!

 

[Kocicak]

Oh look! An excuse for the Intel camp to pick the 13900K over the 7950X3D:

View attachment 77415

821.62% better, they will tell us!

Too bad that they did not compare 1, 2 or 4 thread power draw running the same benchmark, and also did not compare power efficiency.

 

[Timmah!]

HandBrakers rejoice!

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D review: Team Red retakes the lead with its best CPU ever

The AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D is the best gaming CPU there is, and it's not close

www.techradar.com

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Forget gaming. Movie pirates will sell their kidneys for this CPU!

Interesting vanilla chip does worse in Blender. AFAIK all the other reviews had it beating x3D. Granted, its such a small difference, its on the level of measurement error, but still.
Those Handbrake numbers are indeed great.

 

[leoneazzurro]

To be fair, if that was the case, the only incentive to buy the vanilla chip, at least as far i am concerned, would be somewhat lower price. This way, as it was released, there is at least decision to be made, as vanilla 7950x has those higher clocks thanks to its higher power limits, and thats something to consider for some people. Like for me for example, obviously, as everyone else i would love to have better FPS in games and alleviate the CPU bottleneck, but then again, if i run 3dsmax, autocad, photoshop, opera, winamp, etc... at the same time, its kinda nice to know that wont be randomly shuffled by Windows to a v-cache core, that can do 5GHz tops. As it is, i for one am leaning to keep my 7950x, though its really not an easy decision.

Additionally, i checked the TPU numbers in games, and obviously everyone is concentrating on the 720p numbers, which are indeed great, beating even Raptor Lakes, significantly superior to vanilla chips. I get it, its tested like that to avoid being bottlenecked by GPU, it makes perfect sense, if you want to see what benefits the v-cache brings. But, ultimately, its really not very real-world scenario. You wont be playing games with such CPU and 4090 at 720p or 1080p, it will be obviously 4K. And if you look at the numbers, relative difference between vanilla and 3D chip shrinks from cca 15 percent at 720p to meager 4~5 percent at 4K. Its kinda assumed that the low-res test is important, because if the CPU is more powerful there, it will be pushing more FPS even at higher resolutions, thus lessening the bottleneck....while that is true, its clearly not that hot, as the differential diminishes to single-digit numbers in there - on average per TPU tested games.

So ultimately its about how much gaming you want to do or what games do you specifically want to play, i would say for mixed use (both games and productivity) its a cointoss between 7950x a 7950x3D, unless those games are MSFS, Factorio, Stellaris etc...For purely gaming machine 7800x3D will be then way to go. But thats kinda obvious i guess.

My concern was that they could have had the 170W as the "Power mode" and the 120W as "stock" so one could chose easily if getting the cooler but slightly less powerful mode or the slightly more powerful but more power hungry mode, maybe with an one-button software choice. And yes, I know that this is perfectly possible to realize with the current 7000X series processors, but the marketing message would have been quite different.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Wendell with a great follow up vid on the 7950X 3D.

 

[Joe NYC]

Mindfactory, they have already sold 310 pieces of R9 7900X3D.

https://www.mindfactory.de/Hardware/Prozessoren+(CPU)/AMD+Desktop/Sockel+AM5.html

R9 7950X3D is not listed or available.

I think the Micro Center in the US matched that number. They had about 25 in stock in the stores near me that I checked, and they sold out within less than an hour.

 

[Mopetar]

But who buys a top of the line CPU for it to be idle most of the time ?

I've seen a few people with a halo CPU/GPU combo that I swear spend more time posting here than gaming on it.

If you block JavaScript crud from running, I'd imagine that browsing AT or other forums is pretty close to idle. Actually important for their use case!

These certainly are great chips, but I'm going to wait for the 7800X3D to drop. $700 is a lot to ask when there's going to be something nearly 99% as good in a few months.

 

[utahraptor]

What I think would be cool to see is a benchmark run of a game or two with no custom process lassoing and then run the same benchmark with cinebench or something running at the same time limited to 8 core count, not 8 specific cores, but just 8 and see if the scheduler automatically puts the game on the 3d and then see if there is any fps loss. In theory there should not be. I'll try it when I get mine set up.

 

[Markfw]

I've seen a few people with a halo CPU/GPU combo that I swear spend more time posting here than gaming on it.

If you block JavaScript crud from running, I'd imagine that browsing AT or other forums is pretty close to idle. Actually important for their use case!

These certainly are great chips, but I'm going to wait for the 7800X3D to drop. $700 is a lot to ask when there's going to be something nearly 99% as good in a few months.

BTW, I won't be gaming on my 4090/7950x3d at all. But both CPU and GPU will be 100% loaded 24/7...

Edit: I will be gaming on 20 year old games with my I7-920 downclocked to 2 ghz and a 660 GTX video card.

 

[poke01]

Forget the janitors. Call the whole freaking cleaning company.

 

[A///]

It's sad for Intel. Their CPUs are actually good, but because they have to fight to keep the mindshare they are forced to clock the chips to extreme high levels by default.
They could just accept and play it cool for a while until they don't need to resort to "factory overclock" to be ahead. Would it really hurt Intel that much?

Sad for intel? Oh how quickly you people forget Intel dry "slammed" the entire industry for nearly a decade with their 4 core BS. Poor Intel my patootie. Let them suffer, and shall the same wrath incur on AMD if they try any smartass moves.

 

[moinmoin]

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D has been overclocked to 5.9 GHz and delidded - VideoCardz.com

Ryzen 7000X3D overclocking for advanced users SkatterBencher has a lengthy article and video on overclocking of the Ryzen 9 7950X3D, while der8auer spared no time in delidding the first Zen4 desktop CPU with 3D V-Cache. AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D CPU, Source: Optimum Tech/Der8auer Users will not find...

videocardz.com

So close to the 13900KS!

SkatterBencher is worth posting directly instead obfuscating behind VidyaCardzzz.

SkatterBencher #56: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Overclocked to 5900 MHz - SkatterBencher

We overclock the AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D up to 5900 MHz with the ASUS ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme motherboard and EK-Quantum water cooling.

skatterbencher.com

 

[biostud]

HWUB memory scaling:

GN 7900X review

 

[JoeRambo]

Too bad that they did not compare 1, 2 or 4 thread power draw running the same benchmark, and also did not compare power efficiency.

Stock 7950x ( the non 3d cache ) is eating a lot of power in low loads as well due to trying to boost way beyond efficiency area on v/f curve.
7950x3d has advantage of one CCD limited at 5Ghz where things are very efficient, but obviuosly it depends on scheduler picking cores in that CCD. 7800X3D will be king of efficiency, now that's for sure.

 

[Asterox]

Hm, Mindfactory almost nothing of R9 7950X3D sales.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1631287563527897091

 

[Abwx]

Hm, Mindfactory almost nothing of R9 7950X3D sales.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1631287563527897091

7950X3D is out of stock about everywhere in Germany, it s not listed at Mindfactory, so first batches sales are not displayed and still unknown.

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At this hour not a single 7950X3D seller in Germany...