Review Zen4 3D review thread

[Hitman928]

Thread to focus on Zen4 3D cache CPUs.

New gaming king (as most expected), though the 2 CCD 7950x3d does seem to have issues with some games, more than I would expect of it getting stuck on the "wrong" CCD. I imagine it will get cleared up with subsequent updates but we'll see. Simulated 7800X3D showed no such issues and overall has the gaming lead (real product might be slightly slower though depending on in game clocks).

Computerbase also has the 7950x3d as the gaming champ. They (and TPU) also show that efficiency while gaming is extremely good.

Ryzen 9 7950X3D im Test gegen 5800X3D und 13900K(S)

Zen 4 3D ist da. Im Test erweist sich AMDs Ryzen 9 7950X3D gegen 7950X, 5800X3D und Core i9-13900K(S) als schnell und effizient.

www.computerbase.de

Just to toot my own horn a little, it landed spot on with my prediction of fastest gaming CPU but not significantly so over a 13900k on average, but with much higher efficiency.

Additional reviews, will add more later.

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D processor review

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AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review - Best of Both Worlds

The Ryzen 9 7950X3D is the spearhead of the AMD Zen 4 X3D lineup. In our performance review we test AMD's new 16-core flagship with dozens of applications and 14 games at up to 4K, to see whether AMD can take the performance crown from Intel, how power consumption is affected, and what can be...

www.techpowerup.com

The AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review: AMD's Fastest Gaming Processor

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Gamers Nexus

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Linux Performance Review - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review: AMD Retakes Gaming Crown with 3D V-Cache

AMD takes a bite out of Raptor Lake.

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AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D review: Team Red retakes the lead with its best CPU ever

The AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D is the best gaming CPU there is, and it's not close

www.techradar.com

 

[inf64]

can you explain how they're incompetent?

Do I really have to paint it out for you? They gave the keys to their YT channels (and God knows what else) to someone incompetent, making them incompetent as a result. You cannot claim to be an IT expert and make such a noobish mistake, nobody sane will take them seriously after that.

 

[A///]

Do I really have to paint it out for you? They gave the keys to their YT channels (and God knows what else) to someone incompetent, making them incompetent as a result. You cannot claim to be an IT expert and make such a noobish mistake, nobody sane will take them seriously after that.

A very confident post for someone who's got it very wrong. The employee in question was sent an email by a vendor partner or what looked to be them. Normally this could be a spoofed email or a taken-over email server from the actual vendor who's unaware. They were sent a PDF file or what looked to be one but when they opened it didn't open. Instead this installed malware that copies without your knowing all browser profiles to a C&C server online. They didn't send the keys themselves.

How Hackers Hijacked Thousands of High-Profile YouTube Accounts

Google has shed light on a spate of attacks that turned creator channels into cryptocurrency scam livestreams.

www.wired.com

This hack method predates youtube and it's very difficult to harden against. Even if you had a 28 char alpha numeric password, getting that malware on your computer means everything you have is toast. The issue here is that the signature on the malware does not get picked up by either gmail's incoming file scanning or traditional antivirus, whatever safeguard macos has built in to prevent malware from running or windows defender.

What's worse is this isn't an immediate security breach. The malware can lay dormant for a long time. A youtuber who offed himself a few years ago and had a dormant youtube with only 300K subscribers had his account taken over 2 years post death. The issue here is not Linus's staff being careless because whoever sent the malware got lucky they even accept attachments but that polymorphic malware is so difficult to intercept. A constantly changing heuristic signature makes life difficult. This is why similar behaving malware has stopped massive companies, hospitals, oil companies, government offices and branches in their tracks.

Fwiw, it doesn't need to be an attachment. Stegomalware has in recent years become a major pain for companies.

 

[moinmoin]

Oh, so those started with phishing. Social engineering is likely the single biggest blind spot of software. The more software and OSes target everybody by pretending to be "stupidly" easy to use the more users will use it without even starting to think of all the possible ways things could go wrong somewhere.

LTT is somewhat of a standout in that they publicly pretend to be technical literate where one would assume that they are sensitized for the typical ways phishing works, while still falling for the same traps as everybody else.

 

[A///]

Oh, so those started with phishing. Social engineering is likely the single biggest blind spot of software. The more software and OSes target everybody by pretending to be "stupidly" easy to use the more users will use it without even starting to think of all the possible ways things could go wrong somewhere.

LTT is somewhat of a standout in that they publicly pretend to be technical literate where one would assume that they are sensitized for the typical ways phishing works, while still falling for the same traps as everybody else.

Not quite but similar. Phishing requires the 2nd party victim to reply back. Phishing is social engineering and that is a very old concept. This is like a gangster driveby shooting but you won't know it happened until the next day or months from now.

It was spring 2008 when the company I was working for sent out a mass email stating that all employees including the caff staff would need to change their passwords every 15 days due to security precautions. I later learned that a certain country in the orient had tried breaching multiple computer systems on our network that didn't hold too critical a file compared to air gapped systems but would still cause a huge headache and mess to clean up. The company I was with at that time was involved in robotics for industrial use. Makes sense why they tried to hack us.

I don't watch tech youtube. It's experiencing a level of work at home. I stick to random stupid stuff to ease stress. What really is stupid here is google. I would have thought creator channels can add individual contributors who can only upload videos that then make it into the channel's main upload stream. It seems very flawed to have one login to access everything. Or that google didn't suddenly flag the account and block the login if they're based in what is it alberta canada and the login is coming from the other side of the world.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Or that google didn't suddenly flag the account and block the login if they're based in what is it alberta canada and the login is coming from the other side of the world.

Not just google. My company email was getting logged in from US, Nigeria and my city and Office365 let that happen with no security alerts of any sort. Now my company is paying them extra to enable geo-restriction and it will only login from my city.

 

[A///]

Not just google. My company email was getting logged in from US, Nigeria and my city and Office365 let that happen with no security alerts of any sort. Now my company is paying them extra to enable geo-restriction and it will only login from my city.

Sounds like you lot use Zoho for corporate email. Their seat fee per employee is cheaper than the comp but they upsell you on extras that imo should be standard features.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Sounds like you lot use Zoho for corporate email.

Not Zoho. Microsoft Outlook 365.

 

[Mopetar]

I don't know if anyone who actually does it, but with computers gaining more and more processing power, we really ought to start sandboxing more parts of our systems just to avoid these types of problems.

If you've got an 8-core office desktop, may as well run a separate VM just for your email client. It probably wouldn't stop carefully directed and tailored attacks, but if it cuts down on the drive by variety that you see 99% of the time it's worth doing.

I'm more surprised that people fell for something that looks like such an obvious scam. You can argue LTT we're foolish for getting their account compromised, but some of the viewers are making them look a lot smarter by comparison.

It also reflects pretty poorly on Google. This isn't the first time that they've seen something like this happen. They have all kinds of software to flag potential copyright violations and you're telling me they couldn't have caught and contained this? They're obviously not trying.

 

[Abwx]

7950X3D review at NBC :

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Desktop CPU review: New gaming flagship with 3D V-Cache on AM5 socket

Notebookcheck tests the new AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D based on the Zen 4 architecture, which offers significant improvements compared to Zen3. It is particularly able to impress with a higher IPC, while the 3D V-Cache ensures a noticeable boost in games.

www.notebookcheck.net

 

[A///]

Not Zoho. Microsoft Outlook 365.

That is strange. M$ doesn't charge for country blocking on O365. They have docus on how to do it. Are you in Europe or another non NA region?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Are you in Europe or another non NA region?

Middle East

 

[LightningZ71]

I don't know if anyone who actually does it, but with computers gaining more and more processing power, we really ought to start sandboxing more parts of our systems just to avoid these types of problems.

If you've got an 8-core office desktop, may as well run a separate VM just for your email client. It probably wouldn't stop carefully directed and tailored attacks, but if it cuts down on the drive by variety that you see 99% of the time it's worth doing.

I'm more surprised that people fell for something that looks like such an obvious scam. You can argue LTT we're foolish for getting their account compromised, but some of the viewers are making them look a lot smarter by comparison.

It also reflects pretty poorly on Google. This isn't the first time that they've seen something like this happen. They have all kinds of software to flag potential copyright violations and you're telling me they couldn't have caught and contained this? They're obviously not trying.

Just be aware: VM breakout is a thing and sandboxing is not escape proof. There are active exploits in the wild to pierce both. It does add another layer of difficulty, but they aren't invulnerable.

 

[Mopetar]

Nothing is ultimately secure because there's always a previously undiscovered vulnerability around the corner and if something is valuable enough, someone will actively seek a way in.

But an added layer of security isn't a bad idea when it isn't inconvenient to use.

 

[jpiniero]

Seems like the 7800X3D is more or less the performance of the dual die ones in games.

 

[IEC]

HUB review up:

 

[IEC]

Highlights on changes vs previous CPU benchmarks:
Redid benchmarking for everything due to new nVidia driver defaults (e.g. Horizon Zero Dawn disabling reBAR for increased performance)
Intel platform now being tested with 7200 CL34 memory
AMD platform still being tested with 6000 CL30 memory
Measuring total system power consumption rather than CPU only

Crushes Factorio competition as expected (21.9% better than previous champ 5800X3D)


ACC/sim racing showing yet again X3D is the chip to get for sims...


Rainbow 6 Extraction showing single CCD advantage:


12 Game Average:


Total system power consumption (faster than 13900K despite 13900K using 7200CL34 memory and 29% more power)


7800X3D is going to command a premium at $449, but depending on your usage a 20-30% boost in FPS (or more in some cases, especially min/1% low FPS) may be completely worth it.

 

[eek2121]

…and the circle continues. 🤣

 

[In2Photos]

Looks like a great chip. I won't be upgrading from my 7700. 7800X3D is about 10% faster and uses less power, but at $449 it costs $120 more (36%) than what I paid for my 7700. Those that do go for the chip should enjoy it though!

 

[ondma]

Highlights on changes vs previous CPU benchmarks:
Redid benchmarking for everything due to new nVidia driver defaults (e.g. Horizon Zero Dawn disabling reBAR for increased performance)
Intel platform now being tested with 7200 CL34 memory
AMD platform still being tested with 6000 CL30 memory
Measuring total system power consumption rather than CPU only

Crushes Factorio competition as expected (21.9% better than previous champ 5800X3D)
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ACC/sim racing showing yet again X3D is the chip to get for sims...
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Rainbow 6 Extraction showing single CCD advantage:
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12 Game Average:
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Total system power consumption (faster than 13900K despite 13900K using 7200CL34 memory and 29% more power)
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7800X3D is going to command a premium at $449, but depending on your usage a 20-30% boost in FPS (or more in some cases, especially min/1% low FPS) may be completely worth it.

That 20 - 30% is only in certain specific games though. In the 12 game average it is only a few percent faster than Intel, and only 10% faster than the much cheaper 7700x. Power efficiency is great though. So yea, the video conclusion was correct. It doesnt "blow you away" compared to the competition like the 5800x3d did, but is slightly faster (except in certain isolated cases), and very efficient. The most surprising thing to me is that it is not faster than the 7950x3d.

 

[IEC]

Wendell @ L1T tested with DDR5-8000 (not fully stable) on a Z790 Godlike which he summarized as "how extensively I've stacked the deck against AMD":

Despite this, 7800X3D "still manages to win in most scenarios".

Looks like a great chip. I won't be upgrading from my 7700. 7800X3D is about 10% faster and uses less power, but at $449 it costs $120 more (36%) than what I paid for my 7700. Those that do go for the chip should enjoy it though!

Yup, 7700 is the sweet spot for bang for the buck for AM5 IMO. Unless you need the min/1% low FPS boost for gaming, no reason to sacrifice frequency for the X3D. For AM4 the 5800X3D is still compelling around $300-320 when on sale.

Considering a 7800X3D will comfortably run on a $125 AM5 board with no issue, that means if you want top end gaming performance for a new build and you don't need more than 8 cores, your overall build cost is going to be better because RAM and mobo will be cheaper vs the alternatives.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Yup, 7700 is the sweet spot for bang for the buck for AM5 IMO. Unless you need the min/1% low FPS boost for gaming, no reason to sacrifice frequency for the X3D. For AM4 the 5800X3D is still compelling around $300-320 when on sale.

Considering a 7800X3D will comfortably run on a $125 AM5 board with no issue, that means if you want top end gaming performance for a new build and you don't need more than 8 cores, your overall build cost is going to be better because RAM and mobo will be cheaper vs the alternatives.

Add to that, you will be able to upgrade to Zen 5 3D, and most likely Zen 6/3D on the same board.

On the HUB review: Aussie Steve does such a great job with the testing, then derps on other things. Using MSRP for the price to performance chart is beyond wrong. Most of the CPUs on the list haven't cost that much for months now.

He listens to the racing sim community and test the CPU the way they play, and it crushes everything. Yet he reverts to his usual mantra in his conclusion. No Steve, the 13900K is not virtually identical for gaming performance. At least not for a bunch of sims that love big cache and they cannot lie. You other sims can't deny. That when a 3D walks in with a itty bitty wattage, and a big FPS in your face. You get sprung! 🤪

The performance per watt cannot be understated. This is the CPU many upgraders have been waiting for. AM5 sales are about to pick up steam see what I did there.

 

[In2Photos]

Add to that, you will be able to upgrade to Zen 5 3D, and most likely Zen 6/3D on the same board.

On the HUB review: Aussie Steve does such a great job with the testing, then derps on other things. Using MSRP for the price to performance chart is beyond wrong. Most of the CPUs on the list haven't cost that much for months now.

He listens to the racing sim community and test the CPU the way they play, and it crushes everything. Yet he reverts to his usual mantra in his conclusion. No Steve, the 13900K is not virtually identical for gaming performance. At least not for a bunch of sims that love big cache and they cannot lie. You other sims can't deny. That when a 3D walks in with a itty bitty wattage, and a big FPS in your face. You get sprung! 🤪

The performance per watt cannot be understated. This is the CPU many upgraders have been waiting for. AM5 sales are about to pick up steam see what I did there.

This is the most dad joke post ever.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

This is the most dad joke post ever.

I'll be here all week. Try the SPIEDINI ALLA SICILIANA.

 

[PhonakV30]

hmm impressive result. Average Only 50w !!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Tech testers suite has some big wins when testing with EXPO and XMP 6000. Wich is completely reasonable for how most use their gaming PCs.