Zimbabwe and Mugabe...

[Turkish]

What a mess that country is. I am normally not the one to advocate international action but Mugabe is out of control. Every international research and poll showed the opposition as clear favorites at the election but they had to pull out due to violence by Mugabe's government.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7479320.stm

What do you guys think?

 

[CrackRabbit]

Dictatorship with some Totalitarianism thrown in for good measure.

Seriously what did you expect, people with absolute power usually don't give it up easily.

 

[StageLeft]

It's bad. I don't know what I'd recommend doing about it. If the opposition begged for UN (hold the giggles) assistance just to oust mugabe and his top guys, it could get into power where it's supported and possibly sort things out.

 

[BladeVenom]

Look how popular the guy was early on, and how so many thought he would bring about change. Kind of like Obama.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
Look how popular the guy was early on, and how so many thought he would bring about change. Kind of like Obama.

 

[palehorse]

on another note... Bush wants more penalties for Zimbabwe after 'sham' vote

 

[dahunan]

If we can destroy a whole country to kill Saddam then why can't people like Mugabe with deacades of murdering his own citizens under his belt get a bullet between the eyes?

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
Look how popular the guy was early on, and how so many thought he would bring about change. Kind of like Obama.

I see what you mean. They're both politicians, and they're both black. They're virtually identical twins!

 

[Craig234]

The Bush administration loves 'diplomacy' for issues they don't want to bother with.

I'd like to see the Hague get ahold of Mugabe for the murders, with the UN's help.

But on the other hand, as far as I know there is some small chance for diplomatic measures to eventually have an effect, such as Africa kicking him out of their group.

I lack the expertise to say much about the tradeoffs of the options - but my off the cuff sense of what should be done is above.

 

[SAWYER]

I think the whole world community should come together and handle the mess in Africa, if this was happening in a White country or In Europe it probably would have been squashed already.

 

[Dari]

Let the Africans take care of this. It's their neighborhood. Besides, Zimbabwe is landlocked. That means the neighbors have more powers than they let on.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: Sawyer
I think the whole world community should come together and handle the mess in Africa, if this was happening in a White country or In Europe it probably would have been squashed already.

It took years and finally NATO using force to do something in Bosnia after the UN was threatened and this happened in Europe.

1995 NATO bombing in Bosnia and Herzegovina


LOUDER THAN WORDS

Last week was one of the most remarkable in the 41-month-old Bosnian struggle. On Monday the Serbs committed their atrocity. Then from Wednesday through Fri day, NATO conducted the largest combat operation in its history, finally pounding the Serbs after endless bluffing. By Friday, a diplomatic breakthrough had occurred, with all parties agreeing to meet in Geneva this week for preliminary peace talks. After years of war and "ethnic cleansing," the brutal dialectic of aggression, retaliation and reconciliation seemed to have been telescoped into a matter of days. There is still a long way to go, and all hope could yet be dashed-on Saturday the Bosnian Serbs' continued recalcitrance triggered a new nato ultimatum: lift the siege of Sarajevo, or be subjected to yet another round of air strikes. But all of a sudden the chances for a settlement in Bosnia seem better than they have been since the wars there began.

Earlier in the summer the Western allies had warned unequivocally that a Serb attack like the one last Monday would provoke a massive response. But previous NATO bluster had led Serbs and Muslims alike to conclude that the alliance was all bark and no bite. Even after the shell had hit Sarajevo, vacillation appeared to be the likely outcome as the U.N. insisted on sifting the evidence to make sure the Bosnian Serbs were indeed the culprits. Then bad weather and a protective shift of British peacekeepers further delayed the nato attacks. As the hours ticked away, it seemed as if the West had once again issued an empty ultimatum

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
Look how popular the guy was early on, and how so many thought he would bring about change. Kind of like Obama.

I see what you mean. They're both politicians, and they're both black. They're virtually identical twins!

Get Mandela while we're at it. He may be 90 now, but that just makes him more dangerous!

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
Look how popular the guy was early on, and how so many thought he would bring about change. Kind of like Obama.

umm does us Republicans a favor and don't post again until after the election, thanks

 

[JJChicken]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
Look how popular the guy was early on, and how so many thought he would bring about change. Kind of like Obama.

umm does us Republicans a favor and don't post again until after the election, thanks

He's doing a better job than you :laugh:

 

[MrMajestyk]

China is bankrolling the Mugabe regime. Look how they tried to get an arms shipment to him, just in case the election went against him.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...ica/article3772113.ece

Zimbabwe, Darfur, Burma, Tibet. China's bootprint is all over them. There's genocide occuring in Darfur and the UN is completely impotent. Why ? China vetoes and won't allow intervention.

Until the west gets tough on China, these countries have no hope.

 

[Socio]

This Mugabe and his followers are a real piece of work;

Robert Mugabe?s thugs shout: ?Let?s kill the baby?

A baby boy had both legs broken by supporters of President Robert Mugabe to punish his father for being an opposition councillor in Zimbabwe.

Blessing Mabhena, aged 11 months, was seized from a bed and flung down with force as his mother, Agnes, hid from the thugs, convinced that they were about to murder her.

She heard one of them say, ?Let?s kill the baby?, before Blessing was hurled on to a bare concrete floor.

Blessing, who may never be able to walk properly, was one of the youngest victims of atrocities against the opposition party Movement for Democratic Change in the run-up to last Friday?s sham presidential election.

How can anyone, including NATO stop this, how can their ever be peace where you have so many with so little humanity, where chaos is seemingly the preferred norm?

 

[BladeVenom]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
Look how popular the guy was early on, and how so many thought he would bring about change. Kind of like Obama.

I see what you mean. They're both politicians, and they're both black. They're virtually identical twins!

Mugabe was the first elected black leader of Zimbabwe they had previously been ruled by whites. Obama might be the first President of the US, previous Presidentss have all been white.

There was the same buzz, praise, and popularity for Mugabe because of that, just like there is with Obama.

Mugabe was loved by the media early on. He was appointed an honorary Knight Grand Cross in the Order of the Bath by Queen Elizabeth II. He was given honorary degrees by University of Massachusetts, University of Edinburgh, and Michigan State University, etc.

Mugabe was popular because he said they right things early on and was black. Why is Obama popular? What great achievements has Obama done that make him worth electing president? People like Obama for the same reasons they liked Mugabe, affirmative action.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Socio
This Mugabe and his followers are a real piece of work;

Robert Mugabe?s thugs shout: ?Let?s kill the baby?

A baby boy had both legs broken by supporters of President Robert Mugabe to punish his father for being an opposition councillor in Zimbabwe.

Blessing Mabhena, aged 11 months, was seized from a bed and flung down with force as his mother, Agnes, hid from the thugs, convinced that they were about to murder her.

She heard one of them say, ?Let?s kill the baby?, before Blessing was hurled on to a bare concrete floor.

Blessing, who may never be able to walk properly, was one of the youngest victims of atrocities against the opposition party Movement for Democratic Change in the run-up to last Friday?s sham presidential election.

How can anyone, including NATO stop this, how can their ever be peace where you have so many with so little humanity, where chaos is seemingly the preferred norm?

Once again, you display your ignorance. For example, I guess Germans are just hopelessly determined to exterminate Jews as part of their culture.

*No* culture likes the brutality going on in Zimbabwe. Your comments merely make it easy for you to rationalize not worrying about it, making it easy to turn a blind eye to it.

That's how atrocities happen and no one stops them. It's why it was said all that's necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.