Zimmerman verdict in not guilty

[xj0hnx]

You have to be kidding. The entire black community is in an uproar today with protests all over the nation and there is no race issue?

There is a MASSIVE race element to this story. The race issue is one of driving factors to the mammoth interest in the trial. Whites in general think GZ was innocent and blacks OVERWHELMINGLY believe GZ guilty. Myopia on the scale of Mr Magoo is required not to see the patently obvious race issues in this case.

What the black community believes and the truth are not one in the same. As has been pointed out ad nauseum, the race angle was manufactured by the race baiters, and hustlers. It's pretty pathetic that there are still people that think Zimmerman jumped out of his truck, and chased down a little kid to murder him just because he was black. I've actually seen this posted in other forums since the verdict. The ignorance surrounding the publics perception of this case is mind boggling.

 

[Braznor]

The only thing I'm surprised about is the fact that the people here took so long to figure out that RabidM is a neoliberal nutcase obsessed with non existent racism.

 

[ivwshane]

Zimmerman followed Martin first in his car. Martin notices this and confronts Zimmerman at his car while he's still in the car and runs off behind some homes. Zimmerman gets out of his car and goes after him. (This is when Zimmerman says its "expletive cold").

Zimmerman loses sight of him and listens to the dispatcher to not follow him so Zimmerman retreats to his car.

In this time somehow Martin and Zimmerman gets into a scuffle. Why did this happen when Zimmerman didn't know where Martin was?

This and along with the autopsy is suggestive that Martin was the aggressor.

And this information (the circling of the car) came from a witness?

 

[soundforbjt]

And this information (the circling of the car) came from a witness?

Of course, it came from GZ, he'd have no reason to lie...

 

[buckshot24]

What the black community believes and the truth are not one in the same. As has been pointed out ad nauseum, the race angle was manufactured by the race baiters, and hustlers. It's pretty pathetic that there are still people that think Zimmerman jumped out of his truck, and chased down a little kid to murder him just because he was black. I've actually seen this posted in other forums since the verdict. The ignorance surrounding the publics perception of this case is mind boggling.

Yes it is absolutely astounding how stupid people are about this case. If all the lies were true I'd be lining up to flog Zimmerman myself.

 

[DCal430]

If GZ does face federal charges, I wonder if any of you will actually be willing to donate to his defense.

 

[Texashiker]

If GZ does face federal charges, I wonder if any of you will actually be willing to donate to his defense.

I would donate.

 

[Attic]

What the black community believes and the truth are not one in the same. As has been pointed out ad nauseum, the race angle was manufactured by the race baiters, and hustlers. It's pretty pathetic that there are still people that think Zimmerman jumped out of his truck, and chased down a little kid to murder him just because he was black. I've actually seen this posted in other forums since the verdict. The ignorance surrounding the publics perception of this case is mind boggling.

I understood this based on the lies fed to the public leading up to and during the trial. I honestly thought once the trial ended that the lies would be shot down by folks in the media, but the same folks spewing the same lies are still saying the same things despite knowledge of lack of evidence.

Now we have the media salivating over the Justice Department angle. DVC made the salient point that given the POTUS statement following the verdict that it is very unlikely.

Beyond that it's a mean spirited thing to do on it's face, to continue the race baiting angle feeding into the Justice Department decision, given that there is no proof that GZ was acting in a hateful or racist manner. It really simply feeds on peoples ignorance and though hard to quantify, there is a price to be paid for this.

I believe this entire debacle sets back black people as the price to be paid to fill up a few egos until the next baiting can begin.

 

[MrX8503]

And this information (the circling of the car) came from a witness?

All of it is from the audio. The circling of the car is unknown, but in the audio Martin did approach Zimmerman's car. Why would you approach someone's car if you felt you were in danger? This is suggestive that Martin was confrontational.

The audio is a strong piece of evidence that most people seem to either ignore or haven't taken the time to actually listen to it.

There's no other evidence to refute Zimmerman's story and the autopsy strengthens his story as well.

I understood this based on the lies fed to the public leading up to and during the trial. I honestly thought once the trial ended that the lies would be shot down by folks in the media, but the same folks spewing the same lies are still saying the same things despite knowledge of lack of evidence.

Now we have the media salivating over the Justice Department angle. DVC made the salient point that given the POTUS statement following the verdict that it is very unlikely.

Beyond that it's a mean spirited thing to do on it's face, to continue the race baiting angle feeding into the Justice Department decision, given that there is no proof that GZ was acting in a hateful or racist manner. It really simply feeds on peoples ignorance and though hard to quantify, there is a price to be paid for this.

I believe this entire debacle sets back black people as the price to be paid to fill up a few egos until the next baiting can begin.

Because people don't like to admit that they're wrong.

 

[Texashiker]

There's no other evidence to refute Zimmerman's story and the autopsy strengthens his story as well.

From what I saw in the trial there was no evidence presented to contradict anything Zimmerman said.

What started all of this was the news media editing certain things, or not showing certain pictures that were released to the public.

I am pretty sure if the news media had done its job from the start, public opinion would be a lot different than it is right now.

What was the first things the public saw? A dead black man, and Zimmerman with no injuries. The bloody nose and bleeding from the back of the head was not shown until later.

Then there was the edited 911 tapes that made Zimmerman appear raciest. The public found out later he volunteered at some kind of outreach program.

 

[Darwin333]

So in your mind it's guilty until proven innocent for Martin but for Zimmerman he was innocent until proven guilty and since he wasnt proven guilty that automatically mean Martin was guilty?

You can't mess with that logic! /s

How is Martin guilty until proven innocent?

Frankly it doesn't matter what anyone thinks happened. The jury found that there was not enough evidence to convict Zimmerman beyond a reasonable doubt and if you take even a few moments to look at the physical evidence you will see exactly why. Thats it.

Do I think that Martin started the fight? Yes, that is my personal opinion but my opinion (and yours and everyone elses) is worth jackshit. There is simply zero physical evidence that even begins to show that Zimmerman committed murder 2 or even manslaughter.

P.S. You do realize that at no time during this case was Martin charged with a crime to make him "guilty until proven innocent", right?

 

[ivwshane]

All of it is from the audio. The circling of the car is unknown, but in the audio Martin did approach Zimmerman's car. Why would you approach someone's car if you felt you were in danger? This is suggestive that Martin was confrontational.

The audio is a strong piece of evidence that most people seem to either ignore or haven't taken the time to actually listen to it.

There's no other evidence to refute Zimmerman's story and the autopsy strengthens his story as well.



Because people don't like to admit that they're wrong.

So why was that brought up? On the audio tape Zimmerman says Martin is next to his car and was coming at him?

I'll repeat my original statement:

The verdict was correct. There wasn't enough evidence to conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman did not act in self defense.

What I won't stand for are the people interpreting the verdict to mean that Martin was guilty of assault. There is simply not enough evidence to support that.

You can speculate all you want and make assumptions but as we saw with the prosecutions case that's not good enough to convict someone.

So pardon me if I believe in applying the law and due justice equally, apparently thats something you guys don't believe in.

But please continue your hypocrisy circle jerk.

 

[pcgeek11]

The Only racism that I have seen in this case was by Jesse Jackson. Al Sharpton, the black panthers and the idiots that follow them mindlessly. The state of Florida went way over the line to facilitate their concerns and when their racist ideals are not proven we get this crap.

Fuck them (Jesse Jackson. Al Sharpton, the black panthers and the idiots that follow them mindlessly) all. They should be investigated for hate crimes.

 

[Darwin333]

Show me the convictions for those. Oh wait, you can't.

And you made crap up about double jeopardy. You have shown that you are completely ignorant on this issue.

And racial profiling involving the stalking of a child by a wannabe thug neighborhood watch wannabe cop should be addressed with legal remedies in the future. For example, such people should not be allowed to ever touch a gun.

Why the hell not?

And from the physical evidence that "child" was kicking the shit out of that "wannabe thug neighborhood watch wannabe cops" ass.

Besides, if you lost your gun rights by signing up for neighborhood watch the sane amongst us simply would not sign up. Do you think that would actually stop us from watching our neighborhood while armed?

It actually shocks me that after watching the trial there are still people so sure that Zimmerman is guilty despite the prosecution providing damn near negative evidence since most of their witnesses helped the defense. There is ZERO physical evidence to back up your side of the story but despite the actual evidence you won't let go..... Why is that?

 

[ivwshane]

How is Martin guilty until proven innocent?

Frankly it doesn't matter what anyone thinks happened. The jury found that there was not enough evidence to convict Zimmerman beyond a reasonable doubt and if you take even a few moments to look at the physical evidence you will see exactly why. Thats it.

Do I think that Martin started the fight? Yes, that is my personal opinion but my opinion (and yours and everyone elses) is worth jackshit. There is simply zero physical evidence that even begins to show that Zimmerman committed murder 2 or even manslaughter.

P.S. You do realize that at no time during this case was Martin charged with a crime to make him "guilty until proven innocent", right?

I know it's hard to follow along when we have so many pages and so many people posting but let me try and catch you up:

People made claims Martin got what he deserved for committing assault. A) in their opinion (which you are correct, doesn't matter, but it's a discussion board, so...) he was guilty without a trial B) they are using the verdict of Zimmerman's case as proof of martins guilt.

I'm simply pointing out their hypocrisy and their poor logic.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

There's zero evidence that shows this. The dispatcher asked Zimmerman "Is he white, black, or Hispanic?". Zimmerman replies "He looks black".

That's it!

Fucking 911 dispatcher. What a fucking racist.

But seriously, this is one of the most useful descriptive details you can give to identify an individual. Please tell me the next time we have one of those APBs or Amber Alerts that they shouldn't use race. They WILL use race to describe the suspect. I guarantee it.

 

[Attic]

It's actually logic that indicates TM assaulted GZ.

 

[Attic]

Fucking 911 dispatcher. What a fucking racist.

But seriously, this is one of the most useful descriptive details you can give to identify an individual. Please tell me the next time we have one of those APBs or Amber Alerts that they shouldn't use race. They WILL use race to describe the suspect. I guarantee it.

If we've learned anything, its that rasicism is used when needed by rascits so that they can get what they want.

 

[Darwin333]

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/prosecut...ew-claim-he-lacked-courage-to-take-the-stand/

Prosecutors still attacking GZ, still trying to re-try the case.

From the link:

ABC’s Matt Gutman asked if de la Rionda thought Zimmerman was “scared” to testify.
“The proof is in the pudding,” de la Rionda said. “Did he take the stand?”

You would think that with all of those lawyers up there that someone would have at least mentioned the 5th amendment. A coward for exercising your rights???



Besides, even if he did testify it wouldn't change the physical evidence which was completely and totally in favor of Zimmerman. It sounds like they are pissy that they lost such a high profile case and have absolutely nothing to blame but someone exercising their constitutional rights. It couldn't possibly be that either 1. The prosecutors are incompetent or 2. the jury came to the correct verdict based on the evidence presented.

 

[Darwin333]

I know it's hard to follow along when we have so many pages and so many people posting but let me try and catch you up:

People made claims Martin got what he deserved for committing assault. A) in their opinion (which you are correct, doesn't matter, but it's a discussion board, so...) he was guilty without a trial B) they are using the verdict of Zimmerman's case as proof of martins guilt.

I'm simply pointing out their hypocrisy and their poor logic.

Thank you kindly for the recap. You are correct, while I think there is more evidence that TM did criminally assault Zimmerman than there is that Zimmerman committed murder I am not sure if there is enough evidence to convict TM if there was a trial. You are also correct that Zimmermans verdict only means that there was not enough evidence to convict Zimmerman of murder beyond a reasonable doubt in the eyes of the jury.

Regardless, TM has not and will not be found guilty of a crime stemming from this incident.

 

[ivwshane]

Thank you kindly for the recap. You are correct, while I think there is more evidence that TM did criminally assault Zimmerman than there is that Zimmerman committed murder I am not sure if there is enough evidence to convict TM if there was a trial. You are also correct that Zimmermans verdict only means that there was not enough evidence to convict Zimmerman of murder beyond a reasonable doubt in the eyes of the jury.

Regardless, TM has not and will not be found guilty of a crime stemming from this incident.

While true, I was only responding to those making such statements of fact on this forum.


If I had to guess what really happened (and this is from my ass), I'd say Zimmerman followed and confronted Martin. Martin got upset and confrontational and Zimmerman tried pulling his "forgotten" gun on Martin to keep him at bay but was unable to. Martin, seeing this did what he felt was his only option and started attacking the MMA experienced Zimmerman and got a few punches in before zimmerman pulled his gun out and shot Martin.

 

[Doppel]

While true, I was only responding to those making such statements of fact on this forum.


If I had to guess what really happened (and this is from my ass), I'd say Zimmerman followed and confronted Martin. Martin got upset and confrontational and Zimmerman tried pulling his "forgotten" gun on Martin to keep him at bay but was unable to. Martin, seeing this did what he felt was his only option and started attacking the MMA experienced Zimmerman and got a few punches in before zimmerman pulled his gun out and shot Martin.

This makes no sense. I can't even be bothered to tell you why (because you dont care anyway) but your sequence of events is unreasonable.

 

[ivwshane]

This makes no sense. I can't even be bothered to tell you why (because you dont care anyway) but your sequence of events is unreasonable.

Ok. Thanks for sharing your feelings

 

[Matt1970]

While true, I was only responding to those making such statements of fact on this forum.


If I had to guess what really happened (and this is from my ass), I'd say Zimmerman followed and confronted Martin. Martin got upset and confrontational and Zimmerman tried pulling his "forgotten" gun on Martin to keep him at bay but was unable to. Martin, seeing this did what he felt was his only option and started attacking the MMA experienced Zimmerman and got a few punches in before zimmerman pulled his gun out and shot Martin.

Except for none of the evidence seems to support that. Martin was seen on top of Zimmerman.

 

[ivwshane]

Except for none of the evidence seems to support that. Martin was seen on top of Zimmerman.

As stated in my first scentence of my second paragraph I pulled it from my ass. That being said how does Martin being on top change anything? I said Martin was the aggressor, certainly in my scenario it allows Martin to be on top.