Zimmerman verdict in not guilty

[Darwin333]

The law used to be that you had to make every attempt to escape or to stop the attack. Good thing the states promote violent endings instead.

Lets assume for a moment that Zimmerman's account of the events are true. He had no idea that an altercation was going to start until it did. Once it started and he was on the ground and TM mounted him, would you say that he could "reasonably escape"?

At worst he would have been beaten up and Martin would still be alive and this whole case would have been non existent.

But yeah there was nothing he could do. :shakes head

How can you be sure that TM wouldn't have continued to pound Zimmermans head into the concrete leading to a very sever head injury or even death? A better question is, if it was happening to you and you had a nanosecond to decide would you accept the risk that he would stop beating your head into the concrete?

Its rather easy for the two of us to sit here and with the benefit of hindsight say what could of happened or what would have happened. Its a much different story when you are in the middle of a potentially deadly encounter and you have mere seconds to make a decision before someone else (potentially at least) makes it for you.

 

[OverVolt]

No let him defend the "lay there and get beat up" idea but add in Travon seeing the gun for spice.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

While I agree that there is more evidence showing that Martin started the confrontation there is not nearly enough to state that as fact.

All of the facts allow you to draw that inference:

(1.) Zimmerman's intent was to keep an eye on the suspicious person and to help guide police to him.

(2.) According to the Prosecution's star witness, Martin made it home that night:

"I asked him where he at, and he told me he at the back of his daddy fiancee house."

From this you can infer that Martin made it home or could have easily gone home if he had really wanted to. Also, we know that Martin had a working cell phone, but he did not attempt to call the police. Since Martin was shot away from the townhouse, you can infer that Trayvon had to double back in order to bump into Zimmerman again. What possible motive could he have had? Did he want to share his Skittles with the "creepy-assed cracker"? Use your head.

(3.) All of the damage is on George Zimmerman, but no sign of having been punched or attacked could be seen on Trayvon Martin. Nada. There isn't any evidence at all that Zimmerman struck Martin.

(4.) Eyewitness testimony places Martin on top of Zimmerman, punching him "MMA style", pounding his head into the concrete, resulting in Zimmerman's screaming.

(5.) During his interrogation, Zimmerman was falsely told that a video had been made of the entire incident, at which point Zimmerman breathed a big sigh of relief (would he do that if it showed him as the aggressor?). Also, the officer who did the interrogation believed Zimmerman's story even though he may have tried to trip him up.

When you add all of the evidence up you can only infer one conclusion: Trayvon Martin left the house to go look for Zimmerman and initiated the physical aspect of the confrontation. Martin attempted to murder or to at least inflict great bodily harm on Zimmerman.

 

[Texashiker]

"I asked him where he at, and he told me he at the back of his daddy fiancee house."

On the stand Jeantel testified that she told Martin to run away from Zimmerman.

Jeantel then testified that Martin said he was already at home.

Martin was so close to home that he did not have to run to reach safety.

Martin turned around and confronted Zimmerman.

What gets me are the vast number of people who are ignoring the facts of the case.

Zimmerman was following Martin - there is no law against that, and Zimmerman was a member of the neighborhood watch program.

Martin, at the safety of his home turned around, confronted Zimmerman, hit him, knocked him to the ground, then mounted Zimmerman.

 

[Attic]

All of the facts allow you to draw that inference:

(1.) Zimmerman's intent was to keep an eye on the suspicious person and to help guide police to him.

(2.) According to the Prosecution's star witness, Martin made it home that night:

"I asked him where he at, and he told me he at the back of his daddy fiancee house."

From this you can infer that Martin made it home or could have easily gone home if he had really wanted to. Also, we know that Martin had a working cell phone, but he did not attempt to call the police. Since Martin was shot away from the townhouse, you can infer that Trayvon had to double back in order to bump into Zimmerman again. What possible motive could he have had? Did he want to share his Skittles with the "creepy-assed cracker"? Use your head.

(3.) All of the damage is on George Zimmerman, but no sign of having been punched or attacked could be seen on Trayvon Martin. Nada. There isn't any evidence at all that Zimmerman struck Martin.

(4.) Eyewitness testimony places Martin on top of Zimmerman, punching him "MMA style", pounding his head into the concrete, resulting in Zimmerman's screaming.

(5.) During his interrogation, Zimmerman was falsely told that a video had been made of the entire incident, at which point Zimmerman breathed a big sigh of relief (would he do that if it showed him as the aggressor?). Also, the officer who did the interrogation believed Zimmerman's story even though he may have tried to trip him up.

When you add all of the evidence up you can only infer one conclusion: Trayvon Martin left the house to go look for Zimmerman and initiated the physical aspect of the confrontation. Martin attempted to murder or to at least inflict great bodily harm on Zimmerman.

Well laid out.

Please forward to the major media networks so they can disregard and ask you if you think it was race motivated and then during your response ask you if the derivative is somehow race related.

Of course the headlines streaming on the bottom of the show will be related to Race.

Shit, by taking on the media perspective I've almost convinced myself this whole things is solely about race. Easier than I thought.

 

[bshole]

FYI: The protests against this verdict have turned violent with more than a dozen arrests thus far. The black community is incensed with this result.... while the white community is gleefully gloating.

 

[Attic]

FYI: The protests against this verdict have turned violent with more than a dozen arrests thus far. The black community is incensed with this result.... while the white community is gleefully gloating.

Actually the result/reaction from folks, from what I've seen, is crossing racial lines.

Plenty of blacks and whites on both sides of the issue. The reality is the response has been driven by intellect and integrity of each individual rather than the race of each individual who has responded to the verdict.


Edit: It's easy to say blacks are right or whites are right, it's a bit more meaningful to gauge a response on it's actual merits apart from race baiting. The key is to be inclusive of positive and negative responses from all races, that way we don't divide people based on the color of the skin.

 

[cubby1223]

while the white community is gleefully gloating.

Who's gleefully gloating? If you cannot figure it out, there is no "white community" in the same sense that there is a "black community". White people don't organize and support each other in the way that black people do. The mentality that Martin to some within the black community was their child, does not hold true on the other side, Zimmerman is no one special to the white community, and not because he is half-Hispanic, rather because white people don't even view other white people as "one of their own".

If you want to say anything about the "white community", I would say the white community is pissed off that everyone has to continually see skin color in everything everyone does.

 

[nehalem256]

(2.) According to the Prosecution's star witness, Martin made it home that night:

"I asked him where he at, and he told me he at the back of his daddy fiancee house."

From this you can infer that Martin made it home or could have easily gone home if he had really wanted to. Also, we know that Martin had a working cell phone, but he did not attempt to call the police. Since Martin was shot away from the townhouse, you can infer that Trayvon had to double back in order to bump into Zimmerman again. What possible motive could he have had? Did he want to share his Skittles with the "creepy-assed cracker"? Use your head.

This is what I see as the most important part. Not only did the prosecution fail to show beyond a reasonable that Zimmerman attacked martin, but they actually showed that the most reasonable scenario is that Martin decided he want to teach a "creepy-assed cracker" a lesson.

 

[Texashiker]

while the white community is gleefully gloating.

Who is gloating?

 

[Attic]

Who is gloating?

By gloating I'd assume he meant accepting.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Just getting into this whole thing.

I don't understand what seems to be the problem? According to the facts Zimmerman was heading back to his car when Martin came at him and started attacking him. Martin was not within the premises of his home either. How can this case be any more cut and dry?

Even if Zimmerman was the most racist douchebag screaming "Get out of my neighborhood you f*cking n*gger" directly at Martin, what ended up happening is still a case of Martin attacking a retreating person and slamming his head against the concrete, for which he got shot in the process of self-defense. Provocation can't enter into this.

 

[highland145]

Just getting into this whole thing.

I don't understand what seems to be the problem? According to the facts Zimmerman was heading back to his car when Martin came at him and started attacking him. Martin was not within the premises of his home either. How can this case be any more cut and dry?

Even if Zimmerman was the most racist douchebag screaming "Get out of my neighborhood you f*cking n*gger" directly at Martin, what ended up happening is still a case of Martin attacking a retreating person and slamming his head against the concrete, for which he got shot in the process of self-defense. Provocation can't enter into this.

From a media/J Jackson perspective, race sells.

 

[diesbudt]

Not guilty was the only way to find Zimm on this. We live in a nation built on "Innocent until proven guilty"

There was almost no evidence that could prove without a doubt he killed TM without the need of self defense in this case. The evidence was so little against him or contradicted other things that were said. Add in the defense now has evidence that prosecutors tampered and/or removed evidence from being used, when prosecutors have to give all available evidence to the defense.

Then on top of that 10,000+ black teens die every year. To black teens, white teens, adults, women, suicide. Yet THIS ONE made the media (and the media manipulated and lied through it).

Better yet, white girl teenager was brutally murdered by 2 black teens in Texas when they tried to steal her bike. Never made it past local news.

This case was pure racism, but not the normal kind. It was about people believing special cases should be given to other races, thus making them a racist because it is a form of looking down on someone giving them special cases. Why is that? If Zimm was a black man. I bet you there would be a very different view on this case from a lot of people who believed Zimm should have been found guilty.

 

[michal1980]

Want astroturfing? The black communities response to TM is astroturfing.

The Al Sharptons, Jesse Jackson race hustlers just stirring up a shit storm. Doing nothing to improve the blacks lot in life, but keeping them playing the victims. Working non-stop to have blacks disassociate themselves from American culture even more. Working non-stop to feed them the lie that the system doesn't work, and that they should ignore the law, ignore the system, live and die by the mob.

 

[Attic]

Just getting into this whole thing.

I don't understand what seems to be the problem? According to the facts Zimmerman was heading back to his car when Martin came at him and started attacking him. Martin was not within the premises of his home either. How can this case be any more cut and dry?

Even if Zimmerman was the most racist douchebag screaming "Get out of my neighborhood you f*cking n*gger" directly at Martin, what ended up happening is still a case of Martin attacking a retreating person and slamming his head against the concrete, for which he got shot in the process of self-defense. Provocation can't enter into this.

The media sold a lie (gift wrapped to them by TM's family attorneys) initially that led a number of folks to entrench into their initial conclusion, that Zimmerman hunted down an innocent child for no other reason than being black and killed him in cold blood after starting the altercation because of racial motivations.

A lot of folks, of all races, never changed their viewpoint so the verdict came as a significant blow to their sense of justice in the court system.

 

[Incorruptible]

Want astroturfing? The black communities response to TM is astroturfing.

The Al Sharptons, Jesse Jackson race hustlers just stirring up a shit storm. Doing nothing to improve the blacks lot in life, but keeping them playing the victims. Working non-stop to have blacks disassociate themselves from American culture even more. Working non-stop to feed them the lie that the system doesn't work, and that they should ignore the law, ignore the system, live and die by the mob.

Those race baiting idiots actually make the situation worse. Why aren't they this angry over all the black people being murdered by other blacks?

 

[highland145]

Those race baiting idiots actually make the situation worse. Why aren't they this angry over all the black people being murdered by other blacks?

No $$ in it.

 

[BergeLSU]

The media sold a lie (gift wrapped to them by TM's family attorneys) initially that led a number of folks to entrench into their initial conclusion, that Zimmerman hunted down an innocent child for no other reason than being black and killed him in cold blood after starting the altercation because of racial motivations.

A lot of folks, of all races, never changed their viewpoint so the verdict came as a significant blow to their sense of justice in the court system.

It's all similar to the Innocence of Muslim riots of last year. 90% of them were not educated on the "film" or even watched it. They were told that it was offensive and they should riot.

The same applies here. Most of those rioting and protesting have been told that they should be upset (let's not forget to include Obama in that number, because he is a HUGE influence). How many of them have actually been educated on the judicial system or this case? Or even what a not guilty verdict REALLY means?

I read an article about a small protest in Baton Rouge and was pleased to see that there were several there that were level-headed:

Those who took the microphone at the rally described a systemic racism that affects them in Baton Rouge, but also blamed many in the black community for playing into it.
One man questioned why he sees young black people cheering the acquittal of Baton Rouge rapper Lil Boosie, or Torrence Hatch, in a murder trial last year, but objecting to the not guilty verdict in the Zimmerman trial.
“They gave you Boosie, and if they kept Zimmerman for themselves, why the hell you mad?” he said.
Another speaker, Shagari Jackson, expressed frustration that the black community isn’t as outraged when a black person kills another black person. He urged attendees to take the time to learn about political issues and the law.
“People stand in line for Jordans, we have our seats for the Bayou Classic three months in advance,” Jackson said, questioning why people don’t bother to spend time voting.
Taneshia Callegari echoed that concern, saying that in Baton Rouge, nobody will go to the police with information about a crime unless it’s something that directly affects them or their family.
“Cases down here, nobody wants to go through the system,” she said. “Everybody wants to be the system and take matters into their own hands.”

Here is the disappointing part:

State Rep. Ted James, D-Baton Rouge, saying “justice was sleeping on Saturday,” urged the rally's attendees to sign a petition on the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People’s website supporting the filing of a civil rights case against Zimmerman.

http://www.nola.com/news/baton-rouge/index.ssf/2013/07/trayvon_martin_rally_in_baton.html

 

[polarmystery]

Want astroturfing? The black communities response to TM is astroturfing.

The Al Sharptons, Jesse Jackson race hustlers just stirring up a shit storm. Doing nothing to improve the blacks lot in life, but keeping them playing the victims. Working non-stop to have blacks disassociate themselves from American culture even more. Working non-stop to feed them the lie that the system doesn't work, and that they should ignore the law, ignore the system, live and die by the mob.

As a Halfrican-American myself, this bothers me the most. I can't STAND that crap.

 

[monovillage]

Just getting into this whole thing.

I don't understand what seems to be the problem? According to the facts Zimmerman was heading back to his car when Martin came at him and started attacking him. Martin was not within the premises of his home either. How can this case be any more cut and dry?

Even if Zimmerman was the most racist douchebag screaming "Get out of my neighborhood you f*cking n*gger" directly at Martin, what ended up happening is still a case of Martin attacking a retreating person and slamming his head against the concrete, for which he got shot in the process of self-defense. Provocation can't enter into this.

It is/was a cut and dried case of self defense, no more and no less. The race aspect of Martin and Zimmerman just complicates it for some people.

 

[Jaskalas]

Who's gleefully gloating? If you cannot figure it out, there is no "white community" in the same sense that there is a "black community". White people don't organize and support each other in the way that black people do. The mentality that Martin to some within the black community was their child, does not hold true on the other side, Zimmerman is no one special to the white community, and not because he is half-Hispanic, rather because white people don't even view other white people as "one of their own".

This "white community" would not be standing by Zimmerman as a person, but rather standing by the actions he took. Of watching his neighborhood, trying to follow a suspect and keep sight of them. Of protecting himself by using Deadly Force against Aggravated Assault and Battery.

The other side stands by violently assaulting people who "disrespect". They deny the right of Self Defense and thus engage in wanton disregard for our Civil Liberties.

They call it gloating, we call it defending our rights.

 

[ivwshane]

All of the facts allow you to draw that inference:

(1.) Zimmerman's intent was to keep an eye on the suspicious person and to help guide police to him.

(2.) According to the Prosecution's star witness, Martin made it home that night:

"I asked him where he at, and he told me he at the back of his daddy fiancee house."

From this you can infer that Martin made it home or could have easily gone home if he had really wanted to. Also, we know that Martin had a working cell phone, but he did not attempt to call the police. Since Martin was shot away from the townhouse, you can infer that Trayvon had to double back in order to bump into Zimmerman again. What possible motive could he have had? Did he want to share his Skittles with the "creepy-assed cracker"? Use your head.

(3.) All of the damage is on George Zimmerman, but no sign of having been punched or attacked could be seen on Trayvon Martin. Nada. There isn't any evidence at all that Zimmerman struck Martin.

(4.) Eyewitness testimony places Martin on top of Zimmerman, punching him "MMA style", pounding his head into the concrete, resulting in Zimmerman's screaming.

(5.) During his interrogation, Zimmerman was falsely told that a video had been made of the entire incident, at which point Zimmerman breathed a big sigh of relief (would he do that if it showed him as the aggressor?). Also, the officer who did the interrogation believed Zimmerman's story even though he may have tried to trip him up.

When you add all of the evidence up you can only infer one conclusion: Trayvon Martin left the house to go look for Zimmerman and initiated the physical aspect of the confrontation. Martin attempted to murder or to at least inflict great bodily harm on Zimmerman.

Sorry inference doesn't meet the standard of beyond a reasonable doubt. "Back of the house" could mean the back of lot on the block of where is house is.

Does what you wrote seem reasonable? Sure, but would it hold up in court? I doubt it.


Oh and feel free to poke wholes in my version of events based on what we do know but let's leave out accusing Martin of crimes based on things we don't know and are simply making assumptions. It wasn't enough to convict Zimmerman when the prosecution did it and it's not enough to prosecute Martin (if it was possible).

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Wow the butthurt is still strong in this thread.

 

[Matt1970]

FYI: The protests against this verdict have turned violent with more than a dozen arrests thus far. The black community is incensed with this result.... while the white community is gleefully gloating.

There is no gleeful gloating you fucking buffoon. The people protecting this verdict don’t have a single clue about the evidence or are just ignoring it. You should be upset about that. The people happy with the verdict are happy because justice prevailed. Every bit of evidence points to Trayvon attacking Zimmerman after being at the safety of his own house. He got shot because he was slamming someone’s head into the concrete. That can kill you.