Zimmerman verdict in not guilty

[Geosurface]

 

[MrX8503]

I think the item which swayed the jury was the time that elapsed between when Zimmerman lost sight of Martin (and started walking back to his vehicle) and when Martin attacked Zimmerman.

Martin could have easily made it home, but it appears he was watching Zimmerman instead and then decided to go attack Zimmerman instead of going home.

Had the fight started in front of Martin's dad's house, things may very well have found up differently for Zimmerman.

Pretty much.

Martin's confrontational attitude showed when he first approached Zimmernans car. Martin wasn't afraid and he wanted to start a fight.

Maybe parents should teach their kids to not assault strangers.

 

[Geosurface]

Here's the lead prosecutor Bernie De La Rionda's unscripted, gut reaction to the verdict

Bernie hears the verdict

 

[klinc]

Does this mean Martin is guilty then?

 

[Ichinisan]

Watch NOW:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebu6Yvzs4Ls

 

[shortylickens]

I think this is probably more of a display on how the media affects people than how they feel on their own.

 

[Darkman]

Does this mean Martin is guilty then?

yes ... Zimmerman not guilty on all charges makes Martin guilty of aggravated felony assault...

or one can look at it that way, at the least, I suppose ..

Martin is not here any longer though .. "to pay up" ... so, i guess, we are going to just "write it off as a bad debt" ..... ^_^

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Not a big deal really. All he has to do is either run away when confronted or simply answer the questions his follower asks him. Of course if Zimmerman is still scared for his life after doing the above he can pull out his gun at which point the follower can then shoot zimmerman (notice I didn't say anything about the follower pulling out a gun first and that because when the police come they will say Zimmerman pulled the gun first).

So Zimmerman really has nothing to be scared of.

Except the intent will be to kill someone before going out the door. But if the person is black it's ok because Obama says it's not their fault because they haven't the ability to act in a responsible manner you know.

 

[bshole]

FYI: The protests against this verdict have turned violent with more than a dozen arrests thus far. The black community is incensed with this result.... while the white community is gleefully gloating.

For those who say this was not about race......

Among African Americans, 86 percent say they disapprove of the verdict — with almost all of them saying they strongly disapprove — and 87 percent saying the shooting was unjustified.

In contrast, 51 percent of whites say they approve of the verdict while just 31 percent disapprove. There is also a partisan overlay to the reaction among whites: 70 percent of white Republicans but only 30 percent of white Democrats approve of the verdict.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...69662c-f2fc-11e2-8505-bf6f231e77b4_story.html

 

[Londo_Jowo]

For those who say this was not about race......

How many actually watched the trial?
How many still believe the false narrative that pushed non-stop by the media?

 

[Triumph]

For those who say this was not about race......




http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...69662c-f2fc-11e2-8505-bf6f231e77b4_story.html

It appears to me that the country believes it was about race, but the actual sequence of events on that night was not about race. They are two different things. One is reality, one is fantasy.

 

[Fenixgoon]

It appears to me that the country believes it was about race, but the actual sequence of events on that night was not about race. They are two different things. One is reality, one is fantasy.

that's one thing that ALWAYS gets me about any crime where you have two people of different religion/ethnicity/whatever.

people always jump to make it a hate crime, etc. why can't it just be two people got in a scuffle and some bad shit went down?

i'm not saying that is (or isn't) always the case, but it seems like people look for the easy answer rather than the correct one.

 

[nehalem256]

It appears to me that the country believes it was about race, but the actual sequence of events on that night was not about race. They are two different things. One is reality, one is fantasy.

Actualyl it appears that liberals were deceived into believing it was about race.

 

[TerryMathews]

Actualyl it appears that liberals were deceived into believing it was about race.

Look, there is a dead black boy. This is no time for your racist facts.

 

[cubby1223]

For those who say this was not about race......

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...69662c-f2fc-11e2-8505-bf6f231e77b4_story.html

Congratulations, you have shown that reactions to the case fall along racial lines.

But, nobody was arguing against that.

If you were trying to say something different, please try again.

 

[cubby1223]

Is it possible that the "black leaders" just boxed themselves into a corner where they now must force themselves to be right, else the alternative of admitting wrong is too damaging?

Even after the Duke lacrosse case was proven wrong Jesse Jackson was still very defiant in how right he is, was, and ever will be. No, you were wrong and you helped cause a lot of damage to a lot of innocent people.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Is it possible that the "black leaders" just boxed themselves into a corner where they now must force themselves to be right, else the alternative of admitting wrong is too damaging?

It was never about being right. It was about encouraging strife so they could pretend to be important. Since they're immune to fallout there's no down side for them.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

For those who say this was not about race......

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/race-shapes-zimmerman-verdict-reaction/2013/07/22/3569662c-f2fc-11e2-8505-bf6f231e77b4_story.html

This is more likely explained by ignorance surrounding the facts of this case. All this proves is that some sheeple are more easily duped by the media than others....especially in regards to emotional issues such as racism. BTW, if anyone was found to be racist in this matter...it was TM, not George Zimmerman. That's the facts, Jack.

 

[thraashman]

Actualyl it appears that liberals were deceived into believing it was about race.

Look, there is a dead black boy. This is no time for your racist facts.

So of course that's why the white conservatives in P&N had already convicted Trayvon in their minds of theft, drug use, fights, assault, casing houses with the intent to rob them later. Yet Zimmerman was innocent until proven guilty. Go through the different threads about this and find how many conservative posters defended Trayvon's past because he hadn't been convicted, because by my count it's none. It gets pretty clear pretty fast that their own racial bias plays a large role in why they are so willing to attack the character of a dead 17 year old boy who has never been convicted.

 

[TerryMathews]

So of course that's why the white conservatives in P&N had already convicted Trayvon in their minds of theft, drug use, fights, assault, casing houses with the intent to rob them later. Yet Zimmerman was innocent until proven guilty. Go through the different threads about this and find how many conservative posters defended Trayvon's past because he hadn't been convicted, because by my count it's none. It gets pretty clear pretty fast that their own racial bias plays a large role in why they are so willing to attack the character of a dead 17 year old boy who has never been convicted.

The difference is that it wasn't that he was black. It's because these reports came out. Reports that were eventually substantiated in full.

The equivalent to your argument is all of the liberals that convicted GZ as a wife beater and child molester without a conviction on those.

Are all of those posters racist against "white Hispanics"?

 

[BigDH01]

So of course that's why the white conservatives in P&N had already convicted Trayvon in their minds of theft, drug use, fights, assault, casing houses with the intent to rob them later.

I think TM had used drugs, purple drank, gotten into fights, and ultimately wanted to be a gangsta. His own words allude to such. Now, he may not have been convicted of any of these items or gone to jail for them, but it does blow a hole in the whole idea that TM was just an innocent young teen. He was in Sanford solely because of his latest 10 day suspension. Does that mean that TM was committing a crime the night he was killed? No, but it does mean that a reasonable person might conclude that it's possible TM started the physical altercation. If that's the case, then it makes TM the aggressor and changes the whole dynamic of the case.

Yet Zimmerman was innocent until proven guilty.

In the eyes of the law, correct. If TM hadn't died and instead been arrested for assault and battery, he'd have the same luxury.

It gets pretty clear pretty fast that their own racial bias plays a large role in why they are so willing to attack the character of a dead 17 year old boy who has never been convicted.

I'm a white, left-of-center, non-gun-owning, Atheist who thinks the verdict was correct given the law of Florida and evidence of the case. I'm not going to attack the character of the 17 year old 'boy' beyond what is necessary to counter the popular belief that TM was just some innocent, sweet, young, small, boy. People who agree with the verdict have no more a right to make TM a criminal as people who disagree with the verdict have the right to make him a martyr for the plight of the black man.

 

[thraashman]

I think TM had used drugs, purple drank, gotten into fights, and ultimately wanted to be a gangsta. His own words allude to such. Now, he may not have been convicted of any of these items or gone to jail for them, but it does blow a hole in the whole idea that TM was just an innocent young teen. He was in Sanford solely because of his latest 10 day suspension. Does that mean that TM was committing a crime the night he was killed? No, but it does mean that a reasonable person might conclude that it's possible TM started the physical altercation. If that's the case, then it makes TM the aggressor and changes the whole dynamic of the case.



In the eyes of the law, correct. If TM hadn't died and instead been arrested for assault and battery, he'd have the same luxury.



I'm a white, left-of-center, non-gun-owning, Atheist who thinks the verdict was correct given the law of Florida and evidence of the case. I'm not going to attack the character of the 17 year old 'boy' beyond what is necessary to counter the popular belief that TM was just some innocent, sweet, young, small, boy. People who agree with the verdict have no more a right to make TM a criminal as people who disagree with the verdict have the right to make him a martyr for the plight of the black man.

I will by no means disagree with the verdict being correct. I strongly support the American value of innocent until proven guilty and agree the evidence did not support a guilty verdict. I just feel those defending Zimmerman are missing the irony of them so adamantly convicting Trayvon in their own minds instead of granting him the same courtesy. Trayvon was a teenager, teenagers tend to be stupid, I accept that.

But many (ok, not all, but a lot) of the Zimmerman defenders begin to clearly show bias that is related to race when attacking Trayvon. Some more than other (see all posts by SpatiallyAware). And yes, the anger in the black community over the verdict is clearly based on a racial bias as well. In the end what this case shows is that there is still a clear racial divide, racial bias, and racism in this country that many don't want to acknowledge, address, or admit to.

 

[TerryMathews]

I will by no means disagree with the verdict being correct. I strongly support the American value of innocent until proven guilty and agree the evidence did not support a guilty verdict. I just feel those defending Zimmerman are missing the irony of them so adamantly convicting Trayvon in their own minds instead of granting him the same courtesy. Trayvon was a teenager, teenagers tend to be stupid, I accept that.

But many (ok, not all, but a lot) of the Zimmerman defenders begin to clearly show bias that is related to race when attacking Trayvon. Some more than other (see all posts by SpatiallyAware). And yes, the anger in the black community over the verdict is clearly based on a racial bias as well. In the end what this case shows is that there is still a clear racial divide, racial bias, and racism in this country that many don't want to acknowledge, address, or admit to.

I think the part that gets overlooked here is that Trayvon's past and character came up as a rebuttal against the family's assertion that he wouldn't have assaulted Zimmerman because he was a perfect angel, never in any trouble.

The family forced the conversation in that direction.

 

[Triumph]

I think the part that gets overlooked here is that Trayvon's past and character came up as a rebuttal against the family's assertion that he wouldn't have assaulted Zimmerman because he was a perfect angel, never in any trouble.

The family forced the conversation in that direction.

Also as a rebuttal to the early reporting that set the stage for the case, with yellow journalism like this:

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Also as a rebuttal to the early reporting that set the stage for the case, with yellow journalism like this:

But look at that cover! Someone took that little boy and shot him. He's just a tiny thing that couldn't have hurt anyone.

No wonder race problems will never end. Too much profit in money and power for it to be otherwise. I hate that the black community is being the pawn yet again.