Zimmerman verdict in not guilty

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Texashiker

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Community had a rash of crime. -- okay so where were the Police??

Community organizes watch program.-- Yes! A watch program not a get out of your vehicle with a gun program!

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I have a feeling this will not end well for Zimmerman...in fact we can`t find the remains of Jimmy Hoffa.....hmmm

The members of a community have a right to protect not only themselves, their property and also the property of their neighbors.

If this does not end well for zimmerman, where does that leave other community watch programs? Are we supposed to sit in fear while crime runs rampant in the streets?

It must be nice to live in a world where the police are only seconds away.

Yeah no racism other than Martin being profiled and suspected of doing no good because he was black. The justification being that all previous break ins were done by black people and we all know that if multiple black people commit a crime then all black people commit crimes.

Recent crimes were being committed by blacks. If that is racial profiling, then so be it.

Where should the blame be placed? On the people who had committed the recent crimes. They are the ones who caused Martin to be profiled.
 
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ivwshane

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That is what the jury found.

That is what The Sanford Police and Chief found

Trayvon Martin was beating the hell out of George Zimmerman a felony when Martin was shot in lawful self-defense.

If you have proof that did not happen then I'll say Martin is not guilty.

So in your mind it's guilty until proven innocent for Martin but for Zimmerman he was innocent until proven guilty and since he wasnt proven guilty that automatically mean Martin was guilty?

You can't mess with that logic! /s
 

ivwshane

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The members of a community have a right to protect not only themselves, their property and also the property of their neighbors.

If this does not end well for zimmerman, where does that leave other community watch programs? Are we supposed to sit in fear while crime runs rampant in the streets?

It must be nice to live in a world where the police are only seconds away.



Recent crimes were being committed by blacks. If that is racial profiling, then so be it.

Unless of course, the actual community members are being killed by other community members, in that case the dead community member doesn't have the right to protect themselves.

And apparently he doesn't have that right because he was black. But that's ok because he gave up that right when other black people started committing crimes, right? Profiling is a-ok! (just so long as its not done by the IRS for the same reasoning you just used).
 

Texashiker

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Profiling is a-ok!

Someone driving a white car breaks into your neighbors house.

A few days later you see a similar white car.

Would you get suspicious? If so, you are profiling white cars. Why you want to hate on white cars for?
 

Londo_Jowo

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I'm sure they will review the case but I really don't think the Fed can do anything more on this case without violating GZ's 5th amendment right against double jeopardy. If there was a hate crime Florida has their own statute that could have been considered or added to the charges.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/double+jeopardy

The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides, "No person shall &#8230; be subject for the same offence [sic] to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb." This provision, known as the Double Jeopardy Clause, prohibits state and federal governments from prosecuting individuals for the same crime on more than one occasion, or imposing more than one punishment for a single offense. Each of the 50 states offers similar protection through its own constitution, statutes, and Common Law.
Also Obama stated the following and I really think that signals the beginning of the end of this case.

And in the wake of the verdict, I know those passions may be running even higher. But we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken.
 
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ivwshane

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Someone driving a white car breaks into your neighbors house.

A few days later you see a similar white car.

Would you get suspicious? If so, you are profiling white cars. Why you want to hate on white cars for?

No I'm capable of telling the difference between a white Honda accord and a white Lexus, apparently to you all white cars look alike.
 

Doppel

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Unless of course, the actual community members are being killed by other community members, in that case the dead community member doesn't have the right to protect themselves.

And apparently he doesn't have that right because he was black. But that's ok because he gave up that right when other black people started committing crimes, right? Profiling is a-ok! (just so long as its not done by the IRS for the same reasoning you just used).

Nice race-baiting!
 

DCal430

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I'm sure they will review the case but I really don't think the Fed can do anything more on this case without violating GZ's 5th amendment right against double jeopardy. If there was a hate crime Florida has their own statute that could have been considered or added to the charges.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/double+jeopardy

Also Obama stated the following and I really think that signals the beginning of the end of this case.

You are wrong, the courts have ruled that 5th refers to if the federal government tries you twice, not if both the state and federal government tries you for the same crime.
 

Texashiker

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No I'm capable of telling the difference between a white Honda accord and a white Lexus, apparently to you all white cars look alike.


Police profile cars all the time.

Bank robbers driving a red 4 door car. I bet the police pull over every red 4 door car in a 10 mile radius.

And so what if Zimmerman profiled Martin. That did not give Martin the right to attack Zimmerman.
 
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Londo_Jowo

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You are wrong, the courts have ruled that 5th refers to if the federal government tries you twice, not if both the state and federal government tries you for the same crime.

Obviously you can't read.

This provision, known as the Double Jeopardy Clause, prohibits state and federal governments from prosecuting individuals for the same crime on more than one occasion, or imposing more than one punishment for a single offense.
 

DCal430

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Obviously you can't read.

Obviously you can't read, it means the state can't prosecute you twice, or the federal government can't prosecute you twice. The same people can't prosecute you twice. Different people can still prosecute you for the same crime.
 

Texashiker

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Different people can still prosecute you for the same crime.

Link to source?

So if the local government loses the case, the state can charge the person with the same crime?

If the sate loses, the FBI can charge the person?

If the FBI loses, the US marshals office takes over?

Somewhere in there the government creates more agencies to keep trying for a guilty verdict?
 
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Sometimes it's amazing how the de-assimilated talk about the Constitution but yet have no idea what it actually means. And it's hilarious because it was made by others just like them for their own benefit!

State and federal are different sovereigns. They can separately charge for the same act as is well established by the Supreme Court.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Obviously you can't read, it means the state can't prosecute you twice, or the federal government can't prosecute you twice. The same people can't prosecute you twice. Different people can still prosecute you for the same crime.

Please note it says and, not or.

prohibits state and federal governments from prosecuting individuals for the same crime on more than one occasion, or imposing more than one punishment for a single offense.
 

DCal430

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Link to source?

From the above link.

The dual-sovereignty doctrine is designed to vindicate the interest that each sovereign claims in promoting peace and dignity within its forum, and permits state and federal governments to prosecute someone for the same behavior after either has already done so. A defendant also may be prosecuted successively by two states for the same act or omission. In*Heath v. Alabama, 474 U.S. 82, 106 S. Ct. 433, 88 L. Ed. 2d 387 (1985), the U.S. Supreme Court held that successive prosecutions by the states of Georgia and Alabama based upon the same offense did not violate the Double Jeopardy Clause. In*Heath, the defendant had committed murder in the state of Alabama but had taken the body to Georgia, where Georgia officials eventually found it. Both states prosecuted Heath and convicted him of murder for the same action, and the U.S. Supreme Court allowed the convictions to stand.
 

Vic Vega

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Obviously you can't read, it means the state can't prosecute you twice, or the federal government can't prosecute you twice. The same people can't prosecute you twice. Different people can still prosecute you for the same crime.

Not how it works you moron. Quit the Internet. You're a failure.
 

Texashiker

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Both states prosecuted Heath and convicted him of murder for the same action, and the U.S. Supreme Court allowed the convictions to stand.

You are trying to apply someone crossing state lines to the zimmerman case?

Do you have a case where the federal government went after someone after being found not guilty in a state court?
 

Fenixgoon

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Sometimes it's amazing how the de-assimilated talk about the Constitution but yet have no idea what it actually means. And it's hilarious because it was made by others just like them for their own benefit!

State and federal are different sovereigns. They can separately charge for the same act as is well established by the Supreme Court.

have you gone a single post in this thread without saying "de-assimilated"?
 
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