Trust me, Microsoft won't be "kinda sad" if they can grab as much market share with the Zune as the XBOX 360 has in the console market.
Trust me, Microsoft won't be "kinda sad" if they can grab as much market share with the Zune as the XBOX 360 has in the console market.Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Umm... You need to combine both Microsoft's XBox 360 sales AND Sony's PS3 sales to match the number of Nintendo Wii's sold, which is kinda sad considering that Microsoft had a one year head start before the Wii was released.
Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Originally posted by: jpeyton
The iPod has been losing market share steadily since it came out. They had more than 90% of the market at one point; they are at 70% now.Originally posted by: QueBert
This won't compete with Apple, Apple won't lose any market share due the Zune HD.
The original XBOX had a few unique features, but still got it's ass handed to it by the PS2. Five years later, the XBOX 360 has surpassed 30 million units sold, and has a comfortable lead over Sony. Give Microsoft a few more years (and Apple a few more years of releasing rehashed iPods) and the iPod's market share will drop another 20% or more.
Umm... You need to combine both Microsoft's XBox 360 sales AND Sony's PS3 sales to match the number of Nintendo Wii's sold, which is kinda sad considering that Microsoft had a one year head start before the Wii was released. Nintendo dominated both Sony and Microsoft with the Wii, because they made an easier to use product with mass market appeal. You know... kinda like what Apple did with the iPod.
Do you really think Microsoft is going to get beaten by a company that took three hardware/software iterations on their smart-phone to enable cut & paste?
I don't know... Most Apple fans would say that Microsoft has never made a better operating system than Mac OS, even though they're on their 7th major revision of Windows now
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Trust me, Microsoft won't be "kinda sad" if they can grab as much market share with the Zune as the XBOX 360 has in the console market.
Originally posted by: jpeyton
The iPod has been losing market share steadily since it came out. They had more than 90% of the market at one point; they are at 70% now.Originally posted by: QueBert
This won't compete with Apple, Apple won't lose any market share due the Zune HD.
The original XBOX had a few unique features, but still got it's ass handed to it by the PS2. Five years later, the XBOX 360 has surpassed 30 million units sold, and has a comfortable lead over Sony. Give Microsoft a few more years (and Apple a few more years of releasing rehashed iPods) and the iPod's market share will drop another 20% or more.
Do you really think Microsoft is going to get beaten by a company that took three hardware/software iterations on their smart-phone to enable cut & paste?
Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
Originally posted by: Chris
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Announcing the new iPod Classic; it's like the old iPod Classic, but .03mm thinner and with 20GB more space.Originally posted by: Chris
Apple is going rape this thing at WWDC, LOL.
Announcing the new iPod Nano; it's like the old iPod Nano, but we changed the shape slightly and added some colors.
Announcing the new iPod Shuffle; it's like the old iPod Shuffle, but we removed more buttons and added robo calls...I mean VoiceOver.
Yeah because the iPhone/iTouch were just incremental upgrades to the iPod line, and the Zune HD is *not* just a me too clone of the Touch with a bunch of shit nobody wants (HD radio, 720p out).
i'd like HD radio.
<--- owned 4 ipods
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
Originally posted by: Chris
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Announcing the new iPod Classic; it's like the old iPod Classic, but .03mm thinner and with 20GB more space.Originally posted by: Chris
Apple is going rape this thing at WWDC, LOL.
Announcing the new iPod Nano; it's like the old iPod Nano, but we changed the shape slightly and added some colors.
Announcing the new iPod Shuffle; it's like the old iPod Shuffle, but we removed more buttons and added robo calls...I mean VoiceOver.
Yeah because the iPhone/iTouch were just incremental upgrades to the iPod line, and the Zune HD is *not* just a me too clone of the Touch with a bunch of shit nobody wants (HD radio, 720p out).
i'd like HD radio.
<--- owned 4 ipods
Me too.
Originally posted by: Chris
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Trust me, Microsoft won't be "kinda sad" if they can grab as much market share with the Zune as the XBOX 360 has in the console market.
What about if they lose as much market share as they did with WinMob, online search, Pocket PC, etc?
The only reason the 360 can be viewed a success is because Sony fucked up so bad. To sell 25% more consoles than Sony when the PS3 is universally perceived as a failure is not really anything to brag about, considering the PS3 is twice the price of the 360. Let's also not ignore the fact that Wii is nearly outselling the 360 and PS3 *combined*, the amount of money Microsoft sunk into the Xbox project, and let's not forget the colossal fuck up that is RRoD.
The Zune sells less than the Sansa players. It's it distant third place in the portable media player market and the Zune HD offers really nothing much over the *current* iPod Touch/iPhone, much less what's coming on June 8th.
Interesting observations.Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: jpeyton
The iPod has been losing market share steadily since it came out. They had more than 90% of the market at one point; they are at 70% now.Originally posted by: QueBert
This won't compete with Apple, Apple won't lose any market share due the Zune HD.
The original XBOX had a few unique features, but still got it's ass handed to it by the PS2. Five years later, the XBOX 360 has surpassed 30 million units sold, and has a comfortable lead over Sony. Give Microsoft a few more years (and Apple a few more years of releasing rehashed iPods) and the iPod's market share will drop another 20% or more.
Do you really think Microsoft is going to get beaten by a company that took three hardware/software iterations on their smart-phone to enable cut & paste?
*slurp slurp slurp* It's a no contest here, and won't ever change. *gasp slurp slurp slurp* Apple is comfortably at the top, and there is zero chance of MS dethroning them. *cough slurp cough slurp slurp*
Originally posted by: yowolabi
That's the only comment in this thread that made me want to reply. If you think that nobody wants HD radio, then you need to just stop speaking for other people since you're so far from reality.
That's actually the feature that most appeals to me about the Zune HD. There are no good mobile hd radio receivers right now. 63 stations in my area with 55 of them having cd quality sound.
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Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Chris
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Trust me, Microsoft won't be "kinda sad" if they can grab as much market share with the Zune as the XBOX 360 has in the console market.
What about if they lose as much market share as they did with WinMob, online search, Pocket PC, etc?
The only reason the 360 can be viewed a success is because Sony fucked up so bad. To sell 25% more consoles than Sony when the PS3 is universally perceived as a failure is not really anything to brag about, considering the PS3 is twice the price of the 360. Let's also not ignore the fact that Wii is nearly outselling the 360 and PS3 *combined*, the amount of money Microsoft sunk into the Xbox project, and let's not forget the colossal fuck up that is RRoD.
The Zune sells less than the Sansa players. It's it distant third place in the portable media player market and the Zune HD offers really nothing much over the *current* iPod Touch/iPhone, much less what's coming on June 8th.
So much wrong in this post, I'm not even sure where to begin.
-Sony fucked up so bad, and the PS3 is a universal failure? According to who? The PS3 is a failure compared to the PS2 - the most successful console of all time - but the PS3 has still sold a decent amount & essentially won the Blu Ray vs HD DVD war for Sony. So no...the PS3 is certainly not a universal failure.
-I don't know why people always bring up the Wii when comparing the PS3 and XBox 360. Apples to oranges.
-As much of a fuck up as the RRoD issue is - its actually amazing that people are still buying XBoxs even since. That's a testament to the quality of the 360, is it not?
-Many people in this thread have shot down your claim that this offers nothing substantial over the current iPod Touch. Your dismissal of HD Radio has been roundly shot down, yet you ignore that, and still claim it has nothing.
-I owned two iPods, a Sansa, and now a Zune. Can you guess which one I've been happiest with? You've got it, the Zune. Each iteration of the Zune is a huge improvement over the last, with the HD being no exception.
Originally posted by: Deeko
-Sony fucked up so bad, and the PS3 is a universal failure? According to who? The PS3 is a failure compared to the PS2 - the most successful console of all time - but the PS3 has still sold a decent amount & essentially won the Blu Ray vs HD DVD war for Sony. So no...the PS3 is certainly not a universal failure.
I don't know why people always bring up the Wii when comparing the PS3 and XBox 360. Apples to oranges.
As much of a fuck up as the RRoD issue is - its actually amazing that people are still buying XBoxs even since. That's a testament to the quality of the 360, is it not?
Many people in this thread have shot down your claim that this offers nothing substantial over the current iPod Touch. Your dismissal of HD Radio has been roundly shot down, yet you ignore that, and still claim it has nothing.
I owned two iPods, a Sansa, and now a Zune. Can you guess which one I've been happiest with? You've got it, the Zune. Each iteration of the Zune is a huge improvement over the last, with the HD being no exception.
Originally posted by: Chris
Originally posted by: Deeko
-Sony fucked up so bad, and the PS3 is a universal failure? According to who? The PS3 is a failure compared to the PS2 - the most successful console of all time - but the PS3 has still sold a decent amount & essentially won the Blu Ray vs HD DVD war for Sony. So no...the PS3 is certainly not a universal failure.
It's still considered a failure no matter what kind of qualifier you want to attach to it (compared to the PS2, for instance). Plus, selling 25% more units against a competitor that's double the price is hardly anything to brag about.
I don't know why people always bring up the Wii when comparing the PS3 and XBox 360. Apples to oranges.
They are all game consoles. A Wii sale is potentially a lost 360 or PS3 sale.
As much of a fuck up as the RRoD issue is - its actually amazing that people are still buying XBoxs even since. That's a testament to the quality of the 360, is it not?
Not really. We don't know how many people are *not* buying 360s because of RRoD. Unless we can quantify the lost sales, it's by no means a testament to the quality of the 360.
Many people in this thread have shot down your claim that this offers nothing substantial over the current iPod Touch. Your dismissal of HD Radio has been roundly shot down, yet you ignore that, and still claim it has nothing.
We will see when the Q4/09 results come in (feel free to bookmark this post for then) when iPod sales once again piss on Zune sales. I will say with complete confidence that the Zune HD will not put a dent in iPod sales.
I owned two iPods, a Sansa, and now a Zune. Can you guess which one I've been happiest with? You've got it, the Zune. Each iteration of the Zune is a huge improvement over the last, with the HD being no exception.
I own a Zune too. proof. It sits in a drawer collecting dust while my iPod Nano and Touch get all the love. It's not an Apple fanboy thing. People who like iPods are everyday folks. People who like Zunes are often just anti-Apple trolls.
Originally posted by: QueBert
HD radio isn't a big deal, go to any electronics store you'll be lucky to find a single model that carries HD radio. Best Buy had a whopping 3 HD radio ready devices in their audio section last time I went. I checkec only because of the Zune HD, I was curious about what the demand for HD radio was. It's not a feature the majority of people care about. I would venture so far as to say, if Apple released an iPhone that was Blue, that alone would increase sells of iPhones more than HD radio will on a Zune. Yes some people want HD radio, hell I could release a PMP with an AM receiver built in and there would be a small amount of people flocking to get it.
Originally posted by: Chris
Originally posted by: Deeko
-Sony fucked up so bad, and the PS3 is a universal failure? According to who? The PS3 is a failure compared to the PS2 - the most successful console of all time - but the PS3 has still sold a decent amount & essentially won the Blu Ray vs HD DVD war for Sony. So no...the PS3 is certainly not a universal failure.
It's still considered a failure no matter what kind of qualifier you want to attach to it (compared to the PS2, for instance). Plus, selling 25% more units against a competitor that's double the price is hardly anything to brag about.
No, in the vast majority of cases it is not, which is why its apples to oranges. Many of the people (such as my 55 year old parents) that have a Wii would NEVER buy a standard game console, and people that own a standard game console will very likely not have a Wii as their sole console. They might get one in addition to a 360 or PS3, but I don't know anyone that owned a console last generation that only has a Wii now.I don't know why people always bring up the Wii when comparing the PS3 and XBox 360. Apples to oranges.
They are all game consoles. A Wii sale is potentially a lost 360 or PS3 sale.
As much of a fuck up as the RRoD issue is - its actually amazing that people are still buying XBoxs even since. That's a testament to the quality of the 360, is it not?
Not really. We don't know how many people are *not* buying 360s because of RRoD. Unless we can quantify the lost sales, it's by no means a testament to the quality of the 360.
Many people in this thread have shot down your claim that this offers nothing substantial over the current iPod Touch. Your dismissal of HD Radio has been roundly shot down, yet you ignore that, and still claim it has nothing.
We will see when the Q4/09 results come in (feel free to bookmark this post for then) when iPod sales once again piss on Zune sales. I will say with complete confidence that the Zune HD will not put a dent in iPod sales.
[/quote]I owned two iPods, a Sansa, and now a Zune. Can you guess which one I've been happiest with? You've got it, the Zune. Each iteration of the Zune is a huge improvement over the last, with the HD being no exception.
I own a Zune too. proof. It sits in a drawer collecting dust while my iPod Nano and Touch get all the love. It's not an Apple fanboy thing. People who like iPods are everyday folks. People who like Zunes are often just anti-Apple trolls.
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: QueBert
HD radio isn't a big deal, go to any electronics store you'll be lucky to find a single model that carries HD radio. Best Buy had a whopping 3 HD radio ready devices in their audio section last time I went. I checkec only because of the Zune HD, I was curious about what the demand for HD radio was. It's not a feature the majority of people care about. I would venture so far as to say, if Apple released an iPhone that was Blue, that alone would increase sells of iPhones more than HD radio will on a Zune. Yes some people want HD radio, hell I could release a PMP with an AM receiver built in and there would be a small amount of people flocking to get it.
The only people that have said that are you and Chris - who seem to be fanboys that don't want to solely because Apple's product doesn't carry it. Just because HD Radio isn't widespread yet doesn't mean it isn't a great feature that will gain momentum as more people experience it. Have you actually heard HD radio? Its worlds ahead of FM and even beats MP3 quality. Do you think HD TV wasn't important 10 years ago because not many people had it?
Originally posted by: Deeko
The only people that have said that are you and Chris - who seem to be fanboys that don't want to solely because Apple's product doesn't carry it. Just because HD Radio isn't widespread yet doesn't mean it isn't a great feature that will gain momentum as more people experience it. Have you actually heard HD radio? Its worlds ahead of FM and even beats MP3 quality. Do you think HD TV wasn't important 10 years ago because not many people had it?
Originally posted by: Chris
Originally posted by: Deeko
The only people that have said that are you and Chris - who seem to be fanboys that don't want to solely because Apple's product doesn't carry it. Just because HD Radio isn't widespread yet doesn't mean it isn't a great feature that will gain momentum as more people experience it. Have you actually heard HD radio? Its worlds ahead of FM and even beats MP3 quality. Do you think HD TV wasn't important 10 years ago because not many people had it?
Radio is almost completely dead. You cannot compare HD radio to HD TV. It's more like comparing terrestrial TV to cable TV. HD radio is better quality than 320kbps VBR MP3 or even Apple Lossless CD rips?
Besides all that, it's not the quality of radio that's killing it, it's the inconvenience of it. Who wants to listen to music preselected by a DJ and sit through 25% commercials just to hear a song when you can stack your iPod/Zune/whatever will thousands of high-quality rips of *your* favorite songs, commercial and interruption free?
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: QueBert
HD radio isn't a big deal, go to any electronics store you'll be lucky to find a single model that carries HD radio. Best Buy had a whopping 3 HD radio ready devices in their audio section last time I went. I checkec only because of the Zune HD, I was curious about what the demand for HD radio was. It's not a feature the majority of people care about. I would venture so far as to say, if Apple released an iPhone that was Blue, that alone would increase sells of iPhones more than HD radio will on a Zune. Yes some people want HD radio, hell I could release a PMP with an AM receiver built in and there would be a small amount of people flocking to get it.
The only people that have said that are you and Chris - who seem to be fanboys that don't want to solely because Apple's product doesn't carry it. Just because HD Radio isn't widespread yet doesn't mean it isn't a great feature that will gain momentum as more people experience it. Have you actually heard HD radio? Its worlds ahead of FM and even beats MP3 quality. Do you think HD TV wasn't important 10 years ago because not many people had it?
I heard HD radio, it sounds great, it has been around how long? And it's not caught on, a Zune HD won't do much, considering the Zune HD probably won't sell any more well than the regular Zune. Most of the Zune owners I know hate my Touch because it only has 32 gigs of storage. Unless these people are liars they won't be buying the Zune HD. HD Radio is not ever going to be a feature people care much about. The masses will never care about HD radio, and a PMP isn't going to change that much. I'm not arguing that it sounds better than FM, or it's a neat technology. It's cool, but cool doesn't lead to people going "I MUST HAVE IT!?!"
And HD radio cannot be compared to HD TV. My mom who doesn't have the best vision can tell the the difference between SD and HD television. She cannot tell the difference between a 128k mp3 and the actual CD. In fact a lot of times she'll be listening to streaming music online that's much lower than 128k and tell me "it sounds great to me" she represents typical people. I'd bet money if I played a 96k mp3 and played the same song on HD radio she wouldn't be able to tell a difference.
Originally posted by: Chris
Originally posted by: Deeko
The only people that have said that are you and Chris - who seem to be fanboys that don't want to solely because Apple's product doesn't carry it. Just because HD Radio isn't widespread yet doesn't mean it isn't a great feature that will gain momentum as more people experience it. Have you actually heard HD radio? Its worlds ahead of FM and even beats MP3 quality. Do you think HD TV wasn't important 10 years ago because not many people had it?
Radio is almost completely dead. You cannot compare HD radio to HD TV. It's more like comparing terrestrial TV to cable TV. HD radio is better quality than 320kbps VBR MP3 or even Apple Lossless CD rips?
Besides all that, it's not the quality of radio that's killing it, it's the inconvenience of it. Who wants to listen to music preselected by a DJ and sit through 25% commercials just to hear a song when you can stack your iPod/Zune/whatever will thousands of high-quality rips of *your* favorite songs, commercial and interruption free?
Originally posted by: cheezy321
By saying the 360 isn't a quality machine, you are denying a lot of things. First of all, Sony is copying Microsoft on a TON of things when it comes to user interface and online playability. Microsoft is a company that came into the video game industry a LONG TIME after Sony and now Sony is the one copying them on everything.
1. The PS3 is not double the price of the Xbox 360. Hardly anyone buys the 'arcade' version of the 360. 2. Selling 25% more units against a competitor is HUGE considering the brand name 'PlayStation' and all of the bad press on the RRoD. The 360 was the underdog in this fight from the start, there is no doubt about that.
The Wii is a video game machine for children. I had one for about a year, all I played on it was Wii Bowling. It is *NOT* a machine for gamers. Period. You really cant compare sales when the 360 is going after actual gamers while the Wii is going after the childrens parents.
Originally posted by: Deeko
Radio almost completely dead??? What planet do you live on? LOTS of people still listen to radio. Hell, I have Sirius and my Zune, and I still listen to FM radio fairly frequently in my car.
HD Radio is considering just about CD quality - so yea, its gonna be pretty damn comparable to a lossless MP3 (lol@Apple lossless rips, as if they invented that and/or are the only ones to do it)
Yes, of course that's what makes a system great for games.Originally posted by: Chris
Originally posted by: cheezy321
By saying the 360 isn't a quality machine, you are denying a lot of things. First of all, Sony is copying Microsoft on a TON of things when it comes to user interface and online playability. Microsoft is a company that came into the video game industry a LONG TIME after Sony and now Sony is the one copying them on everything.
And Microsoft copied a lot of things from Sony. Do we need list wars to prove this?
1. The PS3 is not double the price of the Xbox 360. Hardly anyone buys the 'arcade' version of the 360. 2. Selling 25% more units against a competitor is HUGE considering the brand name 'PlayStation' and all of the bad press on the RRoD. The 360 was the underdog in this fight from the start, there is no doubt about that.
The PS3 is double the price of the 360. A lot of people by the arcade is indicated by the jump in sales the 360 took when the Arcade dropped to $199.
The Wii is a video game machine for children. I had one for about a year, all I played on it was Wii Bowling. It is *NOT* a machine for gamers. Period. You really cant compare sales when the 360 is going after actual gamers while the Wii is going after the childrens parents.
Then why is Microsoft copying a bunch of stuff from the Wii like Avatars, the Rare games, and the rumored motion control scheme that will be reviled at E3?