Zune Vs Ipod - which is better??

[forfor]

After reading this thread, I seriously suspect that 98% of the general population have no sense of business reality. Apple fanbois are even worse. I'll eat my own words when Apple offers a fix priced service for unlimited downloads and lets you keep them after you cancel your subscription.

 

[ITJunkie]

Originally posted by: secretanchitman
ipod nano. or an ipod video. your choice.

:thumbsup:

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: forfor

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: michaels
And I see something about unlimited downloads for 15 bucks. Can that music be biurned to disc or put on a pc?

No, also it can only be listened to the song 3 times before it gets deleted.

uh got a link to that? because i hav enot heard of it.

Songs that are transferred via wireless can only be played three times. The Zune has a bunch of stupid features like that -- none of which really make any sense.

Stupid feature because they are protecting the rights of copyright owners? :roll:

If transfer a song, listen to it 3 times and like it, go home and buy it yourself. You can do this by marking the song on your Zune device and it will download it automatically (and charge your credit card) the next time you plug it in to your computer.

Well, that one isn't really stupid (it makes sense), but there are features on the Zune that don't.

 

[archiloco]

just don't trust Microsoft with music.....

 

[forfor]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: forfor

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: michaels
And I see something about unlimited downloads for 15 bucks. Can that music be biurned to disc or put on a pc?

No, also it can only be listened to the song 3 times before it gets deleted.

uh got a link to that? because i hav enot heard of it.

Songs that are transferred via wireless can only be played three times. The Zune has a bunch of stupid features like that -- none of which really make any sense.

Stupid feature because they are protecting the rights of copyright owners? :roll:

If transfer a song, listen to it 3 times and like it, go home and buy it yourself. You can do this by marking the song on your Zune device and it will download it automatically (and charge your credit card) the next time you plug it in to your computer.

Well, that one isn't really stupid (it makes sense), but there are features on the Zune that don't.

Like?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: michaels
And I see something about unlimited downloads for 15 bucks. Can that music be biurned to disc or put on a pc?

No, also it can only be listened to the song 3 times before it gets deleted.

uh got a link to that? because i hav enot heard of it.

Songs that are transferred via wireless can only be played three times. The Zune has a bunch of stupid features like that -- none of which really make any sense.

ah ok that makes sense. i was going ot say i would hate to have to download it again after listening to it 3 times when i already paid for it hehe.

 

[blurredvision]

I purchased a Zune today for 3 main reasons. And to give a background on my purchases, I've owned a 1GB 1st gen Nano, and currently own a Zen Vision:M (which I'm selling if anyone is interested in looking at my sig ).

Anywho, I went with the Zune for a few different reasons. The first deals with getting away from the PlayForSure stuff. I subscribed to Napster and Urge at a couple of different points, and I just don't care for it. The way it works is buggy, and I actually longed for some proprietary software with a proprietary music store. I liked iTunes, and considered going back to the iPod, but read on. The second reason I bought the Zune is because their proprietary software offers the "all-you-can-eat" subscription, which I prefer to purchasing individual tracks. And yes, I'm perfectly aware that I won't have any of those songs when I'm done with the sub, and I'm fine with that. The third and final reason, which is a big one, is that I hate the touch/scroll wheels/pads. Can't stand them. Give me a tactile button to push to get where I need to go. I listen to my music mainly in my car, and it's hard to know that you've gotten to the listing you've wanted with the touch stuff. The Zune has none of this, and I like it.

Add to that the cool interface, decent looks, and the integration with everything else Microsoft (Vista, Xbox360, etc.), and I'm sold. Not to mention the likelihood of updates to the player in the future to add cool features.

 

[forfor]

Originally posted by: blurredvision
I purchased a Zune today for 3 main reasons. And to give a background on my purchases, I've owned a 1GB 1st gen Nano, and currently own a Zen Vision:M (which I'm selling if anyone is interested in looking at my sig ).

Leaving my office and heading to Bestbuy to get mine, in brown that is

Laters!

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: forfor

Originally posted by: blurredvision
I purchased a Zune today for 3 main reasons. And to give a background on my purchases, I've owned a 1GB 1st gen Nano, and currently own a Zen Vision:M (which I'm selling if anyone is interested in looking at my sig ).

Leaving my office and heading to Bestbuy to get mine, in brown that is

Laters!

Wait!! There is a $40 off $199 CC coupon floating around out there that you can use if you're nearby a CC. That's what I used today, and got my Zune for $209.99. Picked up a car charger along with it.

 

[forfor]

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: forfor

Originally posted by: blurredvision
I purchased a Zune today for 3 main reasons. And to give a background on my purchases, I've owned a 1GB 1st gen Nano, and currently own a Zen Vision:M (which I'm selling if anyone is interested in looking at my sig ).

Leaving my office and heading to Bestbuy to get mine, in brown that is

Laters!

Wait!! There is a $40 off $199 CC coupon floating around out there that you can use if you're nearby a CC. That's what I used today, and got my Zune for $209.99. Picked up a car charger along with it.

Damn, thanks for the tip. Where do I find this coupon? Thank you!

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: forfor

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: forfor

Originally posted by: blurredvision
I purchased a Zune today for 3 main reasons. And to give a background on my purchases, I've owned a 1GB 1st gen Nano, and currently own a Zen Vision:M (which I'm selling if anyone is interested in looking at my sig ).

Leaving my office and heading to Bestbuy to get mine, in brown that is

Laters!

Wait!! There is a $40 off $199 CC coupon floating around out there that you can use if you're nearby a CC. That's what I used today, and got my Zune for $209.99. Picked up a car charger along with it.

Damn, thanks for the tip. Where do I find this coupon? Thank you!

http://www.zshare.net/download/cc40off-pdf.html

Everyone is getting the coupon to work just fine, even though it says no reproductions or whatever in the fine print. But just incase, print it out landscape-size on the paper, and cut it out, leaving some of the dotted black line. Also just leave the bottom the coupon intact, showing some red. I've been told this is a legit coupon, but when you print it out, it looks like it's been photocopied. So hopefully you'll have no problems.

 

[forfor]

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: forfor

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: forfor

Originally posted by: blurredvision
I purchased a Zune today for 3 main reasons. And to give a background on my purchases, I've owned a 1GB 1st gen Nano, and currently own a Zen Vision:M (which I'm selling if anyone is interested in looking at my sig ).

Leaving my office and heading to Bestbuy to get mine, in brown that is

Laters!

Wait!! There is a $40 off $199 CC coupon floating around out there that you can use if you're nearby a CC. That's what I used today, and got my Zune for $209.99. Picked up a car charger along with it.

Damn, thanks for the tip. Where do I find this coupon? Thank you!

http://www.zshare.net/download/cc40off-pdf.html

Everyone is getting the coupon to work just fine, even though it says no reproductions or whatever in the fine print. But just incase, print it out landscape-size on the paper, and cut it out, leaving some of the dotted black line. Also just leave the bottom the coupon intact, showing some red. I've been told this is a legit coupon, but when you print it out, it looks like it's been photocopied. So hopefully you'll have no problems.

Thanks, hopefully this will work. There are about 3 CCs around me so I will try another if it doesn't work with one of them.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: forfor
So stop spewing your donkey crap around if you are an Apple fanboi and enjoy misinforming people for some reason. Be honest and represent the facts, not your opinion or lies, maybe then people will start appreciating your opinion.

By the way, I have a 60 gig video iPod, a 4 gb Nano, and will purchase a Zune today.

Thanks for sharing. Apparently being willing to buy 3 different mp3 players does not improve your bad attitude. If you look up a few posts you will see it clearly explained to you what my meaning was. Speaking of appreciating opinions, no one appreciates the opinion of someone who spews venom and bile any time someone disagrees with them. Congrats on wasting your money on yet another mp3 player, though.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: forfor
Are you kidding me? I figured people would have understood the logic behind all this. If they don't put any restrictions on the songs downloaded, everyone, and when I say that I mean "EVERYONE" will choose the $15/mo option and download tens of thousands of songs every month only to cancel later on because their HDs are full.
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You are paying $15/mo for the convenience of downloading and trying out as many songs as you like while you retain service.

Why is it all or nothing in your mind? I would gladly pay $15/mo if I could keep 5 tracks per month permanently, for example.

While the $15/mo could be seen as an added benefit, they are not marketting it that way on their site and I suspect as a result it's going to catch a lot of people unaware. In fact, a lot of the zune marketplace in general seems to be used car salesman tactics. What's with the MS points nonsense? I can't think of any reason why they want to convert dollars to points except to make it seem like the tracks are cheaper because you see 79 instead of 99.

And before you go on some tirade about MS bashers, I'm not an MS basher nor am I an apple fanboy. I am generally a big fan of MS and don't like apple products other than the ipod. I just think the zune is a crappy product with a crappy music service supporting it.

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: torpid
What's with the MS points nonsense? I can't think of any reason why they want to convert dollars to points except to make it seem like the tracks are cheaper because you see 79 instead of 99.

That's the exact and only reasoning. Smart on Microsoft's part, for sure....they know the multitude of people out there can't do simple math .

 

[forfor]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: forfor
Are you kidding me? I figured people would have understood the logic behind all this. If they don't put any restrictions on the songs downloaded, everyone, and when I say that I mean "EVERYONE" will choose the $15/mo option and download tens of thousands of songs every month only to cancel later on because their HDs are full.
...
You are paying $15/mo for the convenience of downloading and trying out as many songs as you like while you retain service.

Why is it all or nothing in your mind? I would gladly pay $15/mo if I could keep 5 tracks per month permanently, for example.

While the $15/mo could be seen as an added benefit, they are not marketting it that way on their site and I suspect as a result it's going to catch a lot of people unaware. In fact, a lot of the zune marketplace in general seems to be used car salesman tactics. What's with the MS points nonsense? I can't think of any reason why they want to convert dollars to points except to make it seem like the tracks are cheaper because you see 79 instead of 99.

And before you go on some tirade about MS bashers, I'm not an MS basher nor am I an apple fanboy. I am generally a big fan of MS and don't like apple products other than the ipod. I just think the zune is a crappy product with a crappy music service supporting it.

Nice donkey crapping again. You obviously haven't used the Zunes marketplace, yet have no problem spewing used car salesman tactic lies around... you don't provide a single feature of Zunes marketplace to support your claim, yet have no problem spewing crap. How is the following to hard to understand that the songs downloaded during the $15/mo period is not for yours to keep forever? Surprise, its right on the page where they introduce the Zune Pass (aka $15/mo program): http://www.zune.net/en-us/meetzune/zunepass.htm

The songs you download on your Zune Pass are yours for as long as you hold your Zune Pass subscription. You can still purchase songs or albums individually, too.

MS Points: If you actually had taken the time to read anything about Zunes... anyways, you'll be able to earn MS Points via various MS Products (ie. XBOX Live) and use them with any MS product you want.

Zunes is a crappy product? We'll see after the 1st year.

Oh and you comment regarding wasting my money on another mp3 player. 60 gb video iPod = gift, nano i purchased myself, will put both on eBay in a few days if I like the Zune.

You are obviously a fanboy with your money wasting comment. You cannot stand a new player coming into the market that potentially may have better features than your iPod. Its ok. We don't mind.

 

[forfor]

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: torpid
What's with the MS points nonsense? I can't think of any reason why they want to convert dollars to points except to make it seem like the tracks are cheaper because you see 79 instead of 99.

That's the exact and only reasoning. Smart on Microsoft's part, for sure....they know the multitude of people out there can't do simple math .

Wrong. See my post above. Its so that you can share points earned through Xbox and other future Microsoft products with Zunes. I think its a great feature and will be a keypoint on Microsoft reaching the community feeling they try for.

 

[newParadigm]

can't wait for 6th gen. That should kick some serious ass. Its rumored to be the same footprint (possibly thinner, though not likely) as the current 60gb. It will have a 3.5 in widescreen display, which will double as the control interface via a touchscreen. Finally all touch controls will be back as was with the 3rd gen (still my personal fave, I remember reading many episodes of Alias fanfics)

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: forfor

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: torpid
What's with the MS points nonsense? I can't think of any reason why they want to convert dollars to points except to make it seem like the tracks are cheaper because you see 79 instead of 99.

That's the exact and only reasoning. Smart on Microsoft's part, for sure....they know the multitude of people out there can't do simple math .

Wrong. See my post above. Its so that you can share points earned through Xbox and other future Microsoft products with Zunes. I think its a great feature and will be a keypoint on Microsoft reaching the community feeling they try for.

Oh, you are very much correct. But I'm talking about the be-all, end-all reasoning behind the points system. Sure, it makes great cohesiveness between products, but it all comes down to perception. No matter what platform it's on, people will willingly spend points rather than being able to attribute their purchase to a dollar amount. If Microsoft can keep anything dollar related in the background (i.e. automatic credit card charging), then the better it is for them.

I love the points system, and it's ability to tie across multiple platforms, but I'm just commenting on the common public.

 

[DivideBYZero]

You can bash iPods all you like, but they have a place. That place is where the Zune wants to be, but in this incarnation it will never get there.

 

[slag]

Originally posted by: forfor

Originally posted by: slag
I still don't understand. If I pay $15.00/month for songs and then a month/year/whatever later decide i want to stop paying, I should still be able to listen to the songs.

I paid to download them, not just listen to them while I paid the fee.

Is there a current way of making them permanent and stripping the DRM because imho, this is just wrong. Otherwise, why did I pay all that money for something I can no longer use?

Are you kidding me? I figured people would have understood the logic behind all this. If they don't put any restrictions on the songs downloaded, everyone, and when I say that I mean "EVERYONE" will choose the $15/mo option and download tens of thousands of songs every month only to cancel later on because their HDs are full.

Example:

I subscribe to the $15/mo option and download 20 albums a day with 10 songs in each.

200 songs a day x 30 = 6000 songs per month. And this is probably below average. I know people who download 100s of albums a day through illegal means.

$15 / 6000 = 1/4 of a cent per song. Do you honestly think this makes any business sense?

Microsoft would go bankrupt within 3 months of launch.

You are paying $15/mo for the convenience of downloading and trying out as many songs as you like while you retain service.

No way in hell i'd do that. Im not paying $15.00/month for the pleasure of renting a song.. thats ridiculous.

 

[slag]

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: slag
I still don't understand. If I pay $15.00/month for songs and then a month/year/whatever later decide i want to stop paying, I should still be able to listen to the songs.

I paid to download them, not just listen to them while I paid the fee.

Is there a current way of making them permanent and stripping the DRM because imho, this is just wrong. Otherwise, why did I pay all that money for something I can no longer use?

When you rent an apartment, do you get to sell it when you move out? It's not that difficult to understand.

Not at all the same. I wouldn't rent music, only buy it. Seems pretty dumb to pay $15.00 a month just to rent some music.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: forfor
Nice donkey crapping again. You obviously haven't used the Zunes marketplace, yet have no problem spewing used car salesman tactic lies around... you don't provide a single feature of Zunes marketplace to support your claim, yet have no problem spewing crap. How is the following to hard to understand that the songs downloaded during the $15/mo period is not for yours to keep forever? Surprise, its right on the page where they introduce the Zune Pass (aka $15/mo program): http://www.zune.net/en-us/meetzune/zunepass.htm

I went to the zune site and in numerous places they compare and contrast a "zune pass" account to a "normal" account and imply that you must choose one or the other as your method of obtaining tracks. It's not hard for you or I to understand it, I'm talking about the average person who is virtually computer illiterate. I don't have to try it to know that I don't like it. iTunes isn't great but at least they have the "first major player in the market" excuse. Microsoft has been sitting and watching iTunes and other competitors for years and they came up with some of the same stupid crap everyone else did.

The zune has exactly one innovative feature, the wi fi sharing feature. And like I mentioned before, that feature has little appeal to me until a lot more people own zunes.

MS Points: If you actually had taken the time to read anything about Zunes... anyways, you'll be able to earn MS Points via various MS Products (ie. XBOX Live) and use them with any MS product you want.

Horse crap. There's no reason for it to be points, it can be $ amounts just as easily. Stop spewing your donkey crap. Every other rewards system I've ever used has used dollar amounts and not points. There is absolutely no reason why it has to be points instead of dollars/cents.

You are obviously a fanboy with your money wasting comment. You cannot stand a new player coming into the market that potentially may have better features than your iPod. Its ok. We don't mind.

I'm a fanboy because I think it's preposterous to purchase a 3rd mp3 player when there's nothing really wrong with your existing two? Or am I just a rational human being who realizes that it's a waste of money?

 

[0roo0roo]

yea points are nonsense ment to detach people from the feeling they are spending actual cash and how much they are spending.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: slag

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: slag
I still don't understand. If I pay $15.00/month for songs and then a month/year/whatever later decide i want to stop paying, I should still be able to listen to the songs.

I paid to download them, not just listen to them while I paid the fee.

Is there a current way of making them permanent and stripping the DRM because imho, this is just wrong. Otherwise, why did I pay all that money for something I can no longer use?

When you rent an apartment, do you get to sell it when you move out? It's not that difficult to understand.

Not at all the same. I wouldn't rent music, only buy it. Seems pretty dumb to pay $15.00 a month just to rent some music.

Seems pretty dumb to rent an apartment when you could buy a house, same reasoning you're using.