Zune Vs Ipod - which is better??

[0roo0roo]

investment is different . people don't usually have to spend 30 years paying off music they buy for instance. but people do like to own their collection and not have to rebuy stuff.

 

[Wreckem]

Your not renting a song, you are renting acess to 2million+ songs. For $15 a month you can have hundreds of gigabytes of music, on three pcs and two zunes(of course only 30GB at a time on each zune). Just think, $15 a month, mom, dad and all the children can have all their own songs, without having to pay $10-15 an album.

$180 a year is ~15 ablums. 100s of gigabytes = a hell of alot more than 15 albums.

Its a pretty attactive deal if you ask me. Something that will eventually catch on, maybe not with the Zune, but eventually. Everything is moving towards subscription services.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
You can bash iPods all you like, but they have a place. That place is where the Zune wants to be, but in this incarnation it will never get there.

Exactly. And this goes back to my point about this forum. In few places would 47% recommend an unreleased product on name only over the product which defined and leads the market.

 

[LtPage1]

Originally posted by: michaels
And I see something about unlimited downloads for 15 bucks. Can that music be biurned to disc or put on a pc?

no. and you lose it when you stop paying.

get an ipod- the only way the zune could ever be better than an ipod would be if at most, or at least some of your friends had them, so you could share music- but even then, you don't get to keep it for more than a few days.

 

[JackBurton]

I just got back to this thread so...

Originally posted by: loup garou
I would definitely go with an iPod for your gf, probably a nano. The Zune is too new and surely has lots of kinks to be worked out. I do love the interface and rubberized casing though! Can't wait to see what Pyxis or Pixas or whatever looks like (MS-built Zune flash player).

Originally posted by: JackBurton
No sh!t. I like how they mention unlimited downloads for $14.99/month, but for some reason they don't mention how much music you'll have after you cancel after a year. Oh yeah, that's right, ZERO!

Guess how many tracks Apple will let you re-download if your hard drive crashes? Oh yeah, that's right, ZERO! At least with a subscription service, you can start paying again and redownload whatever you had before.

That is the dumbest argument. So if I buy a CD and scratch it, do you think the store owes me another CD? iTunes downloads are YOURS. You bought it, you keep it, and you are also responsible for taking care of it, just like you would if you bought music from a B&M store. Microsoft's service is completely different. The music is rented, and letting you redownload THEIR music (as you never really own it), sounds fair as they'll take it away from you when you leave. Easy come, easy go. Now maybe some people like renting their music, but I don't. I think buying DRM music is bad, but renting it is even worse. Obviously MS is providing you with a service you want. But please, don't try and compare Apple's service to Microsoft's. The chart is very misleading. They're trying to play it off as if MS is offering the same service as iTunes but for only $14.99 per month. Some people would say it's good marketing, I say it' VERY misleading.

Originally posted by: JackBurton
And I love iTunes and its DRM free music.

Wow. You win the brainwashing contest.

Wow, and you win the uninformed contest.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
That is the dumbest argument. So if I buy a CD and scratch it, do you think the store owes me another CD? iTunes downloads are YOURS. You bought it, you keep it, and you are also responsible for taking care of it, just like you would if you bought music from a B&M store. Microsoft's service is completely different. The music is rented, and letting you redownload THEIR music (as you never really own it), sounds fair as they'll take it away from you when you leave. Easy come, easy go. Now maybe some people like renting their music, but I don't. I think buying DRM music is bad, but renting it is even worse. Obviously MS is providing you with a service you want. But please, don't try and compare Apple's service to Microsoft's. The chart is very misleading. They're trying to play it off as if MS is offering the same service as iTunes but for only $14.99 per month. Some people would say it's good marketing, I say it' VERY misleading.

Why don't people realize that the "all you can eat" rental model is only one option of the Zune Marketplace? You can still pay per song if that is the model you prefer. So yes, Apple and MS offer similar service, with MS having the advantage of offering you a CHOICE.

Annnnd...just to poke a few more holes in your argument, you can even re-download purchased (or rental) songs from the Zune Marketplace if you lose them.

Originally posted by: JackBurton
And I love iTunes and its DRM free music.

Wow. You win the brainwashing contest.

Wow, and you win the uninformed contest.

Since I'm so uninformed, please inform me how music purchased from ITMS is DRM free?

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: JackBurton
That is the dumbest argument. So if I buy a CD and scratch it, do you think the store owes me another CD? iTunes downloads are YOURS. You bought it, you keep it, and you are also responsible for taking care of it, just like you would if you bought music from a B&M store. Microsoft's service is completely different. The music is rented, and letting you redownload THEIR music (as you never really own it), sounds fair as they'll take it away from you when you leave. Easy come, easy go. Now maybe some people like renting their music, but I don't. I think buying DRM music is bad, but renting it is even worse. Obviously MS is providing you with a service you want. But please, don't try and compare Apple's service to Microsoft's. The chart is very misleading. They're trying to play it off as if MS is offering the same service as iTunes but for only $14.99 per month. Some people would say it's good marketing, I say it' VERY misleading.

Why don't people realize that the "all you can eat" rental model is only one option of the Zune Marketplace? You can still pay per song if that is the model you prefer. So yes, Apple and MS offer similar service, with MS having the advantage of offering you a CHOICE.

I never said it was the ONLY option. My problem is with the bullsh!t chart. They're comparing apples (no pun intended) to oranges and giving the impression that the pay per month model is the same as Apple's, but for only $14.99 per month. That's my problem with it. Very misleading.

Annnnd...just to poke a few more holes in your argument, you can even re-download purchased (or rental) songs from the Zune Marketplace if you lose them.

Well I didn't know that. Now that's not a bad service.

Since I'm so uninformed, please inform me how music purchased from ITMS is DRM free?

Let's just say that when you purchase music from iTunes it is infected with DRM. Fortunately, disinfectant agent have been released. Now Apple doesn't advertised their music as DRM free (because as far as they're concerned it isn't), but in the end, it just ends up being that way.

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Annnnd...just to poke a few more holes in your argument, you can even re-download purchased (or rental) songs from the Zune Marketplace if you lose them.

Well I didn't know that. Now that's not a bad service.

Yep, I was just poking around the options in the Zune Marketplace, and there's a button you hit to restore your library. It says that it will scan your library and compare it against your download and purchase history. You even have the option to sync only the music you've purchased to your Zune.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
I never said it was the ONLY option. My problem is with the bullsh!t chart. They're comparing apples (no pun intended) to oranges and giving the impression that the pay per month model is the same as Apple's, but for only $14.99 per month. That's my problem with it. Very misleading.

It's a chart from some fan site...they spelled "unlimited downloads" wrong and listed "preloaded virus" as a category in the comparison chart. So if they're comparing apples and oranges, don't blame MS.

Let's just say that when you purchase music from iTunes it is infected with DRM. Fortunately, disinfectant agent have been released. Now Apple doesn't advertised their music as DRM free (because as far as they're concerned it isn't), but in the end, it just ends up being that way.

Same could be said about Zune Marketplace when its DRM is cracked as well.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: JackBurton
I never said it was the ONLY option. My problem is with the bullsh!t chart. They're comparing apples (no pun intended) to oranges and giving the impression that the pay per month model is the same as Apple's, but for only $14.99 per month. That's my problem with it. Very misleading.

It's a chart from some fan site...they spelled "unlimited downloads" wrong and listed "preloaded virus" as a category in the comparison chart. So if they're comparing apples and oranges, don't blame MS.

What did I blame MS for? I think they have a crappy service (per month downloads), but others may like it. The market will decide whether that "option" will still be available in the future. I'm not blaming MS for offering it. They can offer whatever they'd like. I'm just saying I think that model is worthless. But hey, that's my opinion. Some people may LOVE that service, however I don't know any that do.

Same could be said about Zune Marketplace when its DRM is cracked as well.

Yes it could, but for now it's not and Apple's iTunes is. So for today, I'm comparing DRM vs DRM free. Like I said, in the future this may change, but for now, it is what it is. So that is a HUGE plus for iTunes.

And did I mention the Zune is ugly?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Wreckem
Your not renting a song, you are renting acess to 2million+ songs. For $15 a month you can have hundreds of gigabytes of music, on three pcs and two zunes(of course only 30GB at a time on each zune). Just think, $15 a month, mom, dad and all the children can have all their own songs, without having to pay $10-15 an album.

$180 a year is ~15 ablums. 100s of gigabytes = a hell of alot more than 15 albums.

Its a pretty attactive deal if you ask me. Something that will eventually catch on, maybe not with the Zune, but eventually. Everything is moving towards subscription services.

assuming you buy albums. if you just buy the songs you like from say itunes, then its much cheaper in the long run. because if ms pulls the plug or you stop paying you are left with nothing. and if you eventually tail off on your new music listening, you will still be paying 15 bucks a month just to maintain your old collection which is just sad. most people would rather not have the music industry basically autodeducting from their bank accounts each month.

 

[Chrono]

so i returned the creative zen vision and got myself a zune. let me tell you, at first i was not liking it much at all but then i soon found out that it has a whole bunch of cool neat things for selecting songs and such on the fly. i give it a thumbs up. rocks! very easy to use.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Wreckem
Your not renting a song, you are renting acess to 2million+ songs. For $15 a month you can have hundreds of gigabytes of music, on three pcs and two zunes(of course only 30GB at a time on each zune). Just think, $15 a month, mom, dad and all the children can have all their own songs, without having to pay $10-15 an album.

$180 a year is ~15 ablums. 100s of gigabytes = a hell of alot more than 15 albums.

Its a pretty attactive deal if you ask me. Something that will eventually catch on, maybe not with the Zune, but eventually. Everything is moving towards subscription services.

assuming you buy albums. if you just buy the songs you like from say itunes, then its much cheaper in the long run. because if ms pulls the plug or you stop paying you are left with nothing. and if you eventually tail off on your new music listening, you will still be paying 15 bucks a month just to maintain your old collection which is just sad. most people would rather not have the music industry basically autodeducting from their bank accounts each month.

MS is in it for the long haul, so your theory is totally baseless. And honestly a lot of people buy complete albums of the bands they like, not just individual tracks.

As a poor college student I can afford $14.95 a month. However I cant afford to buy every new CD I want. As for your last point $15/month to maintain an old collection of 100+ CDs. Yeah, keep arguing. If you can't see the value, then STFU, and dont buy it. There are plenty of people who the Zune Pass will benefit. My guess is you are Anti-MS/Anti-Zune. Stop spewing utter crap. The ONLY thing the Ipod has going for it over the zune is the slight difference in size and its currently CHIC to own an Ipod. The software interface on the Zune is 100x's better than the Ipods. The tactile button is just as good as the scroll wheel(some find it better). It has a larger, brighter screen. Sure there are some kinks to be worked out, but most expect MS to update the Zunes firmware in 3-6 months(maybe sooner) to have expanded media capabilites + expanded wi-fi capabilities. Now that they have movies for the 360, movies/shows for Zune is right around the corner. Oh ,did I mention most review sites are giving it high marks?

STFU already. If you dont want a zune dont buy a zune, just stop spreading FUD.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: LtPage1

Originally posted by: michaels
And I see something about unlimited downloads for 15 bucks. Can that music be biurned to disc or put on a pc?

no. and you lose it when you stop paying.

get an ipod- the only way the zune could ever be better than an ipod would be if at most, or at least some of your friends had them, so you could share music- but even then, you don't get to keep it for more than a few days.

It cant be burned to a disk, but it can be put on 3 pcs and 2 zunes. So you could have it on your desktop, your laptop, your media center PC, your zune and your SO's zune.

 

[Wreckem]

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: JackBurton
I never said it was the ONLY option. My problem is with the bullsh!t chart. They're comparing apples (no pun intended) to oranges and giving the impression that the pay per month model is the same as Apple's, but for only $14.99 per month. That's my problem with it. Very misleading.

It's a chart from some fan site...they spelled "unlimited downloads" wrong and listed "preloaded virus" as a category in the comparison chart. So if they're comparing apples and oranges, don't blame MS.

What did I blame MS for? I think they have a crappy service (per month downloads), but others may like it. The market will decide whether that "option" will still be available in the future. I'm not blaming MS for offering it. They can offer whatever they'd like. I'm just saying I think that model is worthless. But hey, that's my opinion. Some people may LOVE that service, however I don't know any that do.

Same could be said about Zune Marketplace when its DRM is cracked as well.

Yes it could, but for now it's not and Apple's iTunes is. So for today, I'm comparing DRM vs DRM free. Like I said, in the future this may change, but for now, it is what it is. So that is a HUGE plus for iTunes.

And did I mention the Zune is ugly?

You are the one comparing Apples to Oranges. Apples Itunes are DRM'ed. You have to break the law to get rid of it. Saying that MS's songs are DRM'ed and Apples arent because you can break the law to get around it, is exactly what one would call comparing apples to oranges. It is also an illogical argument.

 

[xospec1alk]

Originally posted by: Wreckem
You are the one comparing Apples to Oranges. Apples Itunes are DRM'ed. You have to break the law to get rid of it. Saying that MS's songs are DRM'ed and Apples arent because you can break the law to get around it, is exactly what one would call comparing apples to oranges. It is also an illogical argument.

why is it that every article i read in the papers mention the fact that Zune is DRMed, and fail to mention that iTunes is as well? biased? i think so

 

[touchmyichi]

Why on earth would you download music from services like itunes or MS anyways? Seriously, the quality of that stuff is terrible and most of the time it hardly costs less than the CD (most of the time its more if you don't search around for cheaper prices). I mean you might as well pay the extra to get the album art and whatnot. But then of course there are the other ways to get your music

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: touchmyichi
Why on earth would you download music from services like itunes or MS anyways? Seriously, the quality of that stuff is terrible and most of the time it hardly costs less than the CD (most of the time its more if you don't search around for cheaper prices). I mean you might as well pay the extra to get the album art and whatnot. But then of course there are the other ways to get your music

IIRC In Zune Martket Place album downloads include ablum art.

 

[santz]

are people nuts?, zune has not even released yet in USA. how can people already be voting for it or against it?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Wreckem
Your not renting a song, you are renting acess to 2million+ songs. For $15 a month you can have hundreds of gigabytes of music, on three pcs and two zunes(of course only 30GB at a time on each zune). Just think, $15 a month, mom, dad and all the children can have all their own songs, without having to pay $10-15 an album.

$180 a year is ~15 ablums. 100s of gigabytes = a hell of alot more than 15 albums.

Its a pretty attactive deal if you ask me. Something that will eventually catch on, maybe not with the Zune, but eventually. Everything is moving towards subscription services.

assuming you buy albums. if you just buy the songs you like from say itunes, then its much cheaper in the long run. because if ms pulls the plug or you stop paying you are left with nothing. and if you eventually tail off on your new music listening, you will still be paying 15 bucks a month just to maintain your old collection which is just sad. most people would rather not have the music industry basically autodeducting from their bank accounts each month.

MS is in it for the long haul, so your theory is totally baseless. And honestly a lot of people buy complete albums of the bands they like, not just individual tracks.

As a poor college student I can afford $14.95 a month. However I cant afford to buy every new CD I want. As for your last point $15/month to maintain an old collection of 100+ CDs. Yeah, keep arguing. If you can't see the value, then STFU, and dont buy it. There are plenty of people who the Zune Pass will benefit. My guess is you are Anti-MS/Anti-Zune. Stop spewing utter crap. The ONLY thing the Ipod has going for it over the zune is the slight difference in size and its currently CHIC to own an Ipod. The software interface on the Zune is 100x's better than the Ipods. The tactile button is just as good as the scroll wheel(some find it better). It has a larger, brighter screen. Sure there are some kinks to be worked out, but most expect MS to update the Zunes firmware in 3-6 months(maybe sooner) to have expanded media capabilites + expanded wi-fi capabilities. Now that they have movies for the 360, movies/shows for Zune is right around the corner. Oh ,did I mention most review sites are giving it high marks?

STFU already. If you dont want a zune dont buy a zune, just stop spreading FUD.

oh stfu yourself. theres nothing fud about it, its simple fact, you stop paying that 15 bucks a month and you lose it all forever. you are effectively chained to that company as long as you want to keep your collection, a frankly undesirable situation for most people. and long run? like how playforsure was long run?

the interface is 100x better than the ipods? i'm sorry, your credibility is pretty much dirt saying stuff like that. i don't even believe you are a shill for ms, you are too incompetent for even that.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: JackBurton
I never said it was the ONLY option. My problem is with the bullsh!t chart. They're comparing apples (no pun intended) to oranges and giving the impression that the pay per month model is the same as Apple's, but for only $14.99 per month. That's my problem with it. Very misleading.

It's a chart from some fan site...they spelled "unlimited downloads" wrong and listed "preloaded virus" as a category in the comparison chart. So if they're comparing apples and oranges, don't blame MS.

What did I blame MS for? I think they have a crappy service (per month downloads), but others may like it. The market will decide whether that "option" will still be available in the future. I'm not blaming MS for offering it. They can offer whatever they'd like. I'm just saying I think that model is worthless. But hey, that's my opinion. Some people may LOVE that service, however I don't know any that do.

Same could be said about Zune Marketplace when its DRM is cracked as well.

Yes it could, but for now it's not and Apple's iTunes is. So for today, I'm comparing DRM vs DRM free. Like I said, in the future this may change, but for now, it is what it is. So that is a HUGE plus for iTunes.

And did I mention the Zune is ugly?

So, let me get this straight--your only problems with the Zune are:
1) Some chart a fan site made.
2) Nobody has broken their DRM yet so that you can illegally remove it.

Oh yeah, and you think it's ugly. I do to...well, I like the rubberized coating, but not the nav button and screen/button border. It does look better in person though.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

oh stfu yourself. theres nothing fud about it, its simple fact, you stop paying that 15 bucks a month and you lose it all forever. you are effectively chained to that company as long as you want to keep your collection, a frankly undesirable situation for most people. and long run? like how playforsure was long run?

the interface is 100x better than the ipods? i'm sorry, your credibility is pretty much dirt saying stuff like that. i don't even believe you are a shill for ms, you are too incompetent for even that.

Oh Jesus Christ.
1) If the rental model is undesirable, don't use it. Use the per song model, JUST LIKE ITMS. Same ball and chain as Apple.
2) PlaysForSure is still around and will be around for a long time.
3) The Zune's interface is great. Go play with it. It is fast, simple and incredibly good looking. You might not like the Zune for other reasons, but you have to admit the UI is slick. Otherwise, it is YOUR credibility which is dirt.
4) How can you, of all people, even imply anyone else is a shill?

 

[probzy]

Try the new one.

 

[forfor]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
You can bash iPods all you like, but they have a place. That place is where the Zune wants to be, but in this incarnation it will never get there.

Same thing was once said about American cars, IBM computers, etc.